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		<title>By: brittalynn0918</title>
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		<dc:creator>brittalynn0918</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i wholeheartedly agree with you # PEOPLE. If these people cared enough to research just a small bit they would realize that the facts are alarming!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i wholeheartedly agree with you # PEOPLE. If these people cared enough to research just a small bit they would realize that the facts are alarming!!</p>
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		<title>By: PEOPLE</title>
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		<dc:creator>PEOPLE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 04:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RealityBased:


FYI.
.This blog is not only for people who have same ideology like you  do, its also for those of us who disagree.

.I know vaccines cause autism, because of what happened to my child right after the vaccines, and when I say right after I mean right after three hours, so please before you make your comments educate your self on the issue.

.Vaccines may prevent some diseases ,but they also do harm which in my Childs case was proven.

&quot;Vaccines don’t cause autism - but clearly something else &quot;

.If you can&#039;t tell me what causes autism ,then you can&#039;t tell me vaccines don&#039;t cause autism.

.There is one thing if you are narrow minded and want to believe one side of the issue, but you should know there is other studies that says otherwise.
 
Ps.Dr.Steven Novella should have people from both sides on this blog,because its really getting boring here.

worried 
mother</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RealityBased:</p>
<p>FYI.<br />
.This blog is not only for people who have same ideology like you  do, its also for those of us who disagree.</p>
<p>.I know vaccines cause autism, because of what happened to my child right after the vaccines, and when I say right after I mean right after three hours, so please before you make your comments educate your self on the issue.</p>
<p>.Vaccines may prevent some diseases ,but they also do harm which in my Childs case was proven.</p>
<p>&#8220;Vaccines don’t cause autism &#8211; but clearly something else &#8221;</p>
<p>.If you can&#8217;t tell me what causes autism ,then you can&#8217;t tell me vaccines don&#8217;t cause autism.</p>
<p>.There is one thing if you are narrow minded and want to believe one side of the issue, but you should know there is other studies that says otherwise.</p>
<p>Ps.Dr.Steven Novella should have people from both sides on this blog,because its really getting boring here.</p>
<p>worried<br />
mother</p>
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		<title>By: RealityBased</title>
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		<dc:creator>RealityBased</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Worried Mother states - 

&quot;one can say vaccines are safe as many time as they want,but the fact remains the same ,we the parents know what we know,and that is vaccines cause autism and many other diseases .
&quot;the profit wagons days are numbered and the bogus study’s can study as much as they want but the thruth is comming forward.&quot;

Couple of questions - 

1: HOW do you &quot;know&quot; that &quot;vaccines cause autism and many other diseases&quot;?  What evidence are you basing your conclusions on?  

2: If you&#039;re really genuinely concerned about autism, then don&#039;t you feel ashamed of yourself for wasting so much valuable time and energy barking up the wrong tree?  

Vaccines don&#039;t cause autism - but clearly something else (probably many things) does.  By fixating on something that doesn&#039;t cause autism and blindly believing that it does in the face of all evidence to the contrary, you&#039;re not just hurting your own kids and the children of everyone else who irrationally decides not to vaccinate out of a baseless fear of developing autism - you&#039;re also hurting all the kids who actually do have autism or are at risk of developing it, because you&#039;re diverting time and energy and attention away from research into real causes and real cures.  

To repeat:

By insisting that vaccines cause autism and other diseases, you&#039;re hurting children and putting their health at risk.

For that you should be deeply, deeply, deeply ashamed of yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worried Mother states &#8211; </p>
<p>&#8220;one can say vaccines are safe as many time as they want,but the fact remains the same ,we the parents know what we know,and that is vaccines cause autism and many other diseases .<br />
&#8220;the profit wagons days are numbered and the bogus study’s can study as much as they want but the thruth is comming forward.&#8221;</p>
<p>Couple of questions &#8211; </p>
<p>1: HOW do you &#8220;know&#8221; that &#8220;vaccines cause autism and many other diseases&#8221;?  What evidence are you basing your conclusions on?  </p>
<p>2: If you&#8217;re really genuinely concerned about autism, then don&#8217;t you feel ashamed of yourself for wasting so much valuable time and energy barking up the wrong tree?  </p>
<p>Vaccines don&#8217;t cause autism &#8211; but clearly something else (probably many things) does.  By fixating on something that doesn&#8217;t cause autism and blindly believing that it does in the face of all evidence to the contrary, you&#8217;re not just hurting your own kids and the children of everyone else who irrationally decides not to vaccinate out of a baseless fear of developing autism &#8211; you&#8217;re also hurting all the kids who actually do have autism or are at risk of developing it, because you&#8217;re diverting time and energy and attention away from research into real causes and real cures.  </p>
<p>To repeat:</p>
<p>By insisting that vaccines cause autism and other diseases, you&#8217;re hurting children and putting their health at risk.</p>
<p>For that you should be deeply, deeply, deeply ashamed of yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: s</title>
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		<dc:creator>s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 14:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes <img src='http://theness.com/neurologicablog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: HHC</title>
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		<dc:creator>HHC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 04:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>s, Your hypothetical control group will have to wait until a future study.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>s, Your hypothetical control group will have to wait until a future study.</p>
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		<title>By: daedalus2u</title>
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		<dc:creator>daedalus2u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 02:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My point wasn&#039;t about a naïve group, it was about a very highly exposed group without an excess of autism.  The mercury levels in the Faroe Island group are gigantic compared to any autistic group that has ever been suggested to have an excess of mercury via any actual measurement.  

This is the mercury reference.

http://www.ehponline.org/docs/2005/7842/abstract.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point wasn&#8217;t about a naïve group, it was about a very highly exposed group without an excess of autism.  The mercury levels in the Faroe Island group are gigantic compared to any autistic group that has ever been suggested to have an excess of mercury via any actual measurement.  </p>
<p>This is the mercury reference.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ehponline.org/docs/2005/7842/abstract.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ehponline.org/docs/2005/7842/abstract.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: s</title>
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		<dc:creator>s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 01:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HCC: Uhm my point was rather that such occasional disclaimers, combined with the absence of a &quot;substance-naive&quot; control group are the reason that the vaccine debate is stuck (just check the comments about the study on some of the autism sites), despite e.g. such facts as the above mentioned study happening to be in line with the supposed italian prevalence. 

D: Just localized the web sites of the anemone and chef projects--lot&#039;s of studies. And in the end not what you referred to. I assume you wanted me to look at the &quot;Autism in the Faroe Islands. An Epidemiological Study&quot; by Ellefsen et al. showing autism rates of about 70/10000 as I noticed you earlier have discussed in another forum.  Still not a naive pop though ;-)

/S</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HCC: Uhm my point was rather that such occasional disclaimers, combined with the absence of a &#8220;substance-naive&#8221; control group are the reason that the vaccine debate is stuck (just check the comments about the study on some of the autism sites), despite e.g. such facts as the above mentioned study happening to be in line with the supposed italian prevalence. </p>
<p>D: Just localized the web sites of the anemone and chef projects&#8211;lot&#8217;s of studies. And in the end not what you referred to. I assume you wanted me to look at the &#8220;Autism in the Faroe Islands. An Epidemiological Study&#8221; by Ellefsen et al. showing autism rates of about 70/10000 as I noticed you earlier have discussed in another forum.  Still not a naive pop though <img src='http://theness.com/neurologicablog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>/S</p>
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		<title>By: HHC</title>
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		<dc:creator>HHC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 04:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>s,  The disclaimer for this neuropsychological research is standard.  Research is presented as tentative.  Researchers are expected to be humble when they write science papers.  This study has significant research results which will be built upon with future research designs. The conclusive results become a body of knowledge which we depend on when we go to court.

Some parents with autism have great anger and shame based on their failure to produce perfect offspring.  They have mental health problems which need community intervention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>s,  The disclaimer for this neuropsychological research is standard.  Research is presented as tentative.  Researchers are expected to be humble when they write science papers.  This study has significant research results which will be built upon with future research designs. The conclusive results become a body of knowledge which we depend on when we go to court.</p>
<p>Some parents with autism have great anger and shame based on their failure to produce perfect offspring.  They have mental health problems which need community intervention.</p>
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		<title>By: daedalus2u</title>
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		<dc:creator>daedalus2u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 18:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should check out the Faroe Island studies in mercury in cord blood (~1000 consecutive births). The same cohort was also tested for autism.  In the 1404 child cohort that included the 1000 tested for mercury at birth, there were 5 cases of ASDs, 2 of autism and 3 of Asperger&#039;s.  

In that 1404 child cohort there were at least 249 with cord blood mercury levels above 200 nM/L and at least 746 with cord blood mercury levels above 65 nM/L.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should check out the Faroe Island studies in mercury in cord blood (~1000 consecutive births). The same cohort was also tested for autism.  In the 1404 child cohort that included the 1000 tested for mercury at birth, there were 5 cases of ASDs, 2 of autism and 3 of Asperger&#8217;s.  </p>
<p>In that 1404 child cohort there were at least 249 with cord blood mercury levels above 200 nM/L and at least 746 with cord blood mercury levels above 65 nM/L.</p>
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		<title>By: s</title>
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		<dc:creator>s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 17:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grr a less than sign cut off my text..., let&#039;s try again

Do notice the caveat at the end of the report:
&quot;Our analysis included only healthy children who were selected during enrollment in the original trial, and some families might have declined to participate in the present study because their children had cognitive developmental problems. This might have reduced the prevalence of adverse neuropsychological conditions and might have made potential differences hard to detect. The eligibility criteria of the original trial also limited the participation of low birth weight children, and only 55 children with birth weights of [less than] 2500 g underwent the neuropsychological evaluation (data not shown). Moreover, only 1% of children in this study received hepatitis B virus vaccine at birth.&quot;

That will hardly convince the other side even if the study autism rate is similar to the national italian estimates, which according to the EURISPES, are between 6-10/10000. Well in line with the study results of 1/1403 (approx 7/10000).

It would of course have been more conclusive and convincing if the study had included a control group of children vaccinated with vaccines containing no mercury compunds (and preferrably born of mothers that had never had amalgam fillings -- to make causality very very clear).

/S</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grr a less than sign cut off my text&#8230;, let&#8217;s try again</p>
<p>Do notice the caveat at the end of the report:<br />
&#8220;Our analysis included only healthy children who were selected during enrollment in the original trial, and some families might have declined to participate in the present study because their children had cognitive developmental problems. This might have reduced the prevalence of adverse neuropsychological conditions and might have made potential differences hard to detect. The eligibility criteria of the original trial also limited the participation of low birth weight children, and only 55 children with birth weights of [less than] 2500 g underwent the neuropsychological evaluation (data not shown). Moreover, only 1% of children in this study received hepatitis B virus vaccine at birth.&#8221;</p>
<p>That will hardly convince the other side even if the study autism rate is similar to the national italian estimates, which according to the EURISPES, are between 6-10/10000. Well in line with the study results of 1/1403 (approx 7/10000).</p>
<p>It would of course have been more conclusive and convincing if the study had included a control group of children vaccinated with vaccines containing no mercury compunds (and preferrably born of mothers that had never had amalgam fillings &#8212; to make causality very very clear).</p>
<p>/S</p>
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