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		<title>By: NeuroLogica Blog &#187; Obama on Science</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/tom-harkin-tips-his-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-10257</link>
		<dc:creator>NeuroLogica Blog &#187; Obama on Science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I discussed last week, Harkin&#8217;s agenda is about as unscientific and ideologically driven as you can [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I discussed last week, Harkin&#8217;s agenda is about as unscientific and ideologically driven as you can [...]</p>
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		<title>By: weing</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/tom-harkin-tips-his-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-10234</link>
		<dc:creator>weing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 13:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t know embryonic stem cell research was being pushed by Harkin.   I think Obama is going to lift restrictions on this research today.  I wouldn&#039;t call it alternative as they are not being used to treat diseases as yet.  It is considered research.  The alternative SCAM is being used currently and all genuine research shows it doesn&#039;t work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t know embryonic stem cell research was being pushed by Harkin.   I think Obama is going to lift restrictions on this research today.  I wouldn&#8217;t call it alternative as they are not being used to treat diseases as yet.  It is considered research.  The alternative SCAM is being used currently and all genuine research shows it doesn&#8217;t work.</p>
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		<title>By: sonic</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 10:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Replace the words &quot;fetal stem cells&quot; for &#039;aternative&#039;.
10 years from now if the record is as it is now (no success), I can imagine someone lamating how they had hoped the &#039;stem cells&#039; would lead to useful therapies.
Let&#039;s hope the researchers are not spending all their time disproving that stem cells work (I&#039;ll bet you could spend many years showing all the ways stem cells won&#039;t help) and are spending their time seeking out and approving.
(Oh, stem cells are &#039;alternative&#039; aren&#039;t they?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Replace the words &#8220;fetal stem cells&#8221; for &#8216;aternative&#8217;.<br />
10 years from now if the record is as it is now (no success), I can imagine someone lamating how they had hoped the &#8216;stem cells&#8217; would lead to useful therapies.<br />
Let&#8217;s hope the researchers are not spending all their time disproving that stem cells work (I&#8217;ll bet you could spend many years showing all the ways stem cells won&#8217;t help) and are spending their time seeking out and approving.<br />
(Oh, stem cells are &#8216;alternative&#8217; aren&#8217;t they?)</p>
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		<title>By: HHC</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/tom-harkin-tips-his-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-10207</link>
		<dc:creator>HHC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should read: The hazards to young children are known.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should read: The hazards to young children are known.</p>
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		<title>By: HHC</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/tom-harkin-tips-his-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-10206</link>
		<dc:creator>HHC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 21:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FiFi,  FDA recalls of Taiwanese instant coffee and milk tea products were real in the U.S. marketplace. The FDA issued warnings regarding consumption of melamine contaminated products.  King Car Food Industrial company was to first to recall its products.  The U.S. imports products from China to Asian American markets  There was concern about the import of Chinese infant formulas.  

Melamine testing was unreliable by Chinese testing standards.  Independent world testing facilities have reviewed these products.  Australia and the U.S. standards require thresholds below 2.5(ppm) parts per million.  It is considered safe for adults to eat products with less than 2.5(ppm) melamine.  Melamine, a synthetic industrial chemical can stay in the human body at most several days and then is excreted.  The dangers for premature infants are not sufficiently known in the U.S. The hazards to yound children are known.

State officials in Connecticut recalled candies which were tested for melamine and found positive.  California recalled Blue Cat Flavor Drinks because of the results of melamine testing.  U.S. consumers were cautioned regarding consumption of any form of milk or protein, biscuits, cake mixes, high-protein energy bars, chocolate coated treats and sweets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FiFi,  FDA recalls of Taiwanese instant coffee and milk tea products were real in the U.S. marketplace. The FDA issued warnings regarding consumption of melamine contaminated products.  King Car Food Industrial company was to first to recall its products.  The U.S. imports products from China to Asian American markets  There was concern about the import of Chinese infant formulas.  </p>
<p>Melamine testing was unreliable by Chinese testing standards.  Independent world testing facilities have reviewed these products.  Australia and the U.S. standards require thresholds below 2.5(ppm) parts per million.  It is considered safe for adults to eat products with less than 2.5(ppm) melamine.  Melamine, a synthetic industrial chemical can stay in the human body at most several days and then is excreted.  The dangers for premature infants are not sufficiently known in the U.S. The hazards to yound children are known.</p>
<p>State officials in Connecticut recalled candies which were tested for melamine and found positive.  California recalled Blue Cat Flavor Drinks because of the results of melamine testing.  U.S. consumers were cautioned regarding consumption of any form of milk or protein, biscuits, cake mixes, high-protein energy bars, chocolate coated treats and sweets.</p>
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		<title>By: DevilsAdvocate</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/tom-harkin-tips-his-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-10173</link>
		<dc:creator>DevilsAdvocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 00:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would state it in stronger language - Harkin is doing what he is paid to do, and I don&#039;t mean his senatorial salary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would state it in stronger language &#8211; Harkin is doing what he is paid to do, and I don&#8217;t mean his senatorial salary.</p>
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		<title>By: Spin-gnosia</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/tom-harkin-tips-his-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-10170</link>
		<dc:creator>Spin-gnosia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 22:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post... and as a physician, I could not agree more.

Two &quot;editorial&quot; points:
1. The similarities between the CAM advocates and the right-wing, fundamentalists is... well... striking.
2.  Efforts to save ignorant Americans from themselves are always doomed to failure.

Just like the infomercials that hawk every possible &quot;amazing&quot;  item for $19.95... the televangelist charlatans hawking  &quot;miracles&quot;... the bogus claims of fad diets &amp; goofy exercise machines... those in the CAM industry, like relatively mainstream chiropractitioners, will always have a hopeful herd of lemmings to keep the &quot;cha-ching&quot; ringing.

Harkin is merely engaging in what just about every politician does: pandering to a &quot;interest group&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post&#8230; and as a physician, I could not agree more.</p>
<p>Two &#8220;editorial&#8221; points:<br />
1. The similarities between the CAM advocates and the right-wing, fundamentalists is&#8230; well&#8230; striking.<br />
2.  Efforts to save ignorant Americans from themselves are always doomed to failure.</p>
<p>Just like the infomercials that hawk every possible &#8220;amazing&#8221;  item for $19.95&#8230; the televangelist charlatans hawking  &#8220;miracles&#8221;&#8230; the bogus claims of fad diets &amp; goofy exercise machines&#8230; those in the CAM industry, like relatively mainstream chiropractitioners, will always have a hopeful herd of lemmings to keep the &#8220;cha-ching&#8221; ringing.</p>
<p>Harkin is merely engaging in what just about every politician does: pandering to a &#8220;interest group&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: HHC</title>
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		<dc:creator>HHC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FiFi,  Some U.S. pet owners were scared and upset over the contaminated products that the U.S. received from China.  I was worried about my grand champion British shorthair.  I was particularly concerned about the polyps which she grew quickly.
I have watched how bacteria and food contaminants impact pedigree cat growth for decades.  I have had a few &quot;designer cats&quot; including the ones genetically engineered at Harvard, the Himilayan.  Animal sensitivities to substances assist us to understand human immunities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FiFi,  Some U.S. pet owners were scared and upset over the contaminated products that the U.S. received from China.  I was worried about my grand champion British shorthair.  I was particularly concerned about the polyps which she grew quickly.<br />
I have watched how bacteria and food contaminants impact pedigree cat growth for decades.  I have had a few &#8220;designer cats&#8221; including the ones genetically engineered at Harvard, the Himilayan.  Animal sensitivities to substances assist us to understand human immunities.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Novella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Novella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sonic,

You need to read the rest of the transcript, or at least the two blog posts I linked to at SBM. 

Harkin said that he feels the problem is the NCCAM focuses too much on falsifying rather than approving. He is clearly blaming the process - not just lamenting that CAM doesn&#039;t work. Also, he is holding a hearing the specified purpose of which is to integrate CAM more into mainstream medicine. Why would he want to integrate something that he is disappointed doesn&#039;t work? 

There is really little doubt as to what he is saying when it is all taken together in context. 

The cost/outcome of medicine in America is a complex problem, and it is not clear at all that how much of the differences between the US and Europe are due to health care delivery. We have different populations, different problems with poverty, obesity, and other risk factors. Americans work harder than Europeans - that comes with added stress. 

Also, Americans pay for much more &quot;optional&quot; medicine that does not affect life expectancy but may affect quality of life - like expensive treatments for migraine headaches.

Yes, there are plenty of systemic problems, mainly with access and efficiency. Health delivery problems does not imply a problem with the science of medicine, however. Harkin is trying to fix something that is not the problem, and in fact he is trying to take the one thing that works and break it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sonic,</p>
<p>You need to read the rest of the transcript, or at least the two blog posts I linked to at SBM. </p>
<p>Harkin said that he feels the problem is the NCCAM focuses too much on falsifying rather than approving. He is clearly blaming the process &#8211; not just lamenting that CAM doesn&#8217;t work. Also, he is holding a hearing the specified purpose of which is to integrate CAM more into mainstream medicine. Why would he want to integrate something that he is disappointed doesn&#8217;t work? </p>
<p>There is really little doubt as to what he is saying when it is all taken together in context. </p>
<p>The cost/outcome of medicine in America is a complex problem, and it is not clear at all that how much of the differences between the US and Europe are due to health care delivery. We have different populations, different problems with poverty, obesity, and other risk factors. Americans work harder than Europeans &#8211; that comes with added stress. </p>
<p>Also, Americans pay for much more &#8220;optional&#8221; medicine that does not affect life expectancy but may affect quality of life &#8211; like expensive treatments for migraine headaches.</p>
<p>Yes, there are plenty of systemic problems, mainly with access and efficiency. Health delivery problems does not imply a problem with the science of medicine, however. Harkin is trying to fix something that is not the problem, and in fact he is trying to take the one thing that works and break it.</p>
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		<title>By: s</title>
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		<dc:creator>s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Tell that to all the people who are being bilked out of money by taking the most popular herbal supplement, echinecia, which has been shown time and again to be totally and completely worthless...&quot;

Well this is capitalism at its fullest too. People are equally free to buy crap peddled by charlatans as well as substances sold by medical multi-billion dollar companies. I am well aware that I sound extremely crass and insensitive with my next statement: but death occurs both due to &quot;supplements&quot; as well as FDA approved substances.

That is a sad fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Tell that to all the people who are being bilked out of money by taking the most popular herbal supplement, echinecia, which has been shown time and again to be totally and completely worthless&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Well this is capitalism at its fullest too. People are equally free to buy crap peddled by charlatans as well as substances sold by medical multi-billion dollar companies. I am well aware that I sound extremely crass and insensitive with my next statement: but death occurs both due to &#8220;supplements&#8221; as well as FDA approved substances.</p>
<p>That is a sad fact.</p>
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