Dec 10 2009
The Spiral Lights of Norway
As many of my readers/listeners know, I am an amateur birder. What this means is that if I see a bird at my feeder (or anywhere, for that matter) it immediately captures my interest. If my camera is handy, I will reach for it as fast as I can (having a permanent picture to consult makes later identification much easier). Of course, if I see a bird I cannot identify I don’t assume it is the controversial ivory-billed woodpecker, and I certainly would not claim it is a phoenix or something supernatural.
Likewise, if you look up into the sky and see a light or even an object you cannot identify, that is an interesting experience, and is certainly worth grabbing your camera. But (as skeptics are fond of pointing out) your inability to identify the object does not mean it is an alien spacecraft.
It does mean, apparently, that local news stations will show up to grab some video and interview witnesses so they can write headlines like, “Local witnesses baffled by UFO.” To the media, any strange light in the sky is a UFO.
While the mind-candy pop nonsense of the media is a constant annoyance, I actually don’t mind this particular manifestation (depending on how far they take it). It’s a fun game – identify the unusual lights – and now with the rapidity of the news cycle, there is often an answer within a day or so, and it can actually provide a nice skeptical lesson.
The most recent round of this game took place recently in Norway – with a very unusual spiral light. You can watch the video here (and the brief BBC article also gives away the most likely solution). These spiral lights are cool – certainly not something you see everyday.
Birding has taught me to pay attention to small details – the length of the beak compared to the body, the presence of small hairs around the beak, a blush of color along the sides, etc. These details are often critical in identification. The same is true with these “lights in the sky” games – the details often give huge clues as to their origins. In this case, if you look closely (actually you don’t have to look that closely) you can see a smoke trail leading from the ground all the way to the pinwheel pattern of lights.
In addition to the media making some hay from the unusual sightings, UFO proponents are often quick to jump on them. Nick Pope, former UFO analyst for the UK Ministry of Defence, is quoted as saying:
“My first thought was this was a meteor, a fireball, or debris from an old satellite burning up in the earth’s atmosphere.
“But the spiral motion makes this unlikely. This is truly bizarre. It’s a real mystery.
“A meteor or a fireball would simply travel in a straight line but for something to spiral in this way appears to go against the laws of physics.
“Some may think it is the Northern Lights but they illuminate the sky with a green glow.
“This is completely different from any image of the Northern Lights that I have ever seen.
“It’s ironic that something like this should happen the very week after the MoD terminated its UFO project. It just goes to show how wrong that decision was.”
This is classic mystery mongering. A few unlikely explanations are tossed out, just to make it seem like all natural explanations are being considered. UFO proponents like the “defies the laws of physics” bit, as it makes it seem like aliens are the only possible explanation. And then of course there is the appeal to put more resources into researching UFOs.
Mystery mongering is often combined with anomaly hunting – looking for features that seem, superficially, to be unusual and then using them to eliminate any prosaic explanation.
In addition to the UFO crazies, we now also have the conspiracy nuts. (The two groups are not mutually exclusive.) To the conspiracy crowd everything even slightly unusual that happens is part of a dark conspiracy, briefly showing itself to those in the know. Over at the David Icke forum (of reptilian overlord fame), we learn that the spiral pattern looks like a portal opening, or like a projection. So either we are about to connect to the Stargate universe, or the government is testing out some mind-control or hoaxing technology, all to facilitate the eventual take over of the one-world government.
The pinwheel pattern aside, these lights would look like a straightforward night rocket launch. We then learn that this sighting took place over a military base. The BBC reports that Moscow has confirmed there was a failed launch of a missile from a submarine in that area that night. A finned rocket spiraling out of control would fit the video we see perfectly.
Not much of a mystery.
But it is important to remember that if we never learned the nature of the lights, that would still not make them alien spacecraft or a government conspiracy. There are potentially many rare, unusual, or unique occurrences that would be impossible to determine just by analyzing the lights themselves. In recent years there have been many UFO flaps following the release of large floating lanterns. For people who are simply not aware of the existence of these lanterns (increasingly popular at weddings and other events) there is no way to make sense of the silent floating lights.
There are also ultralight aircraft, dropped flares, re-entering satellites, flashes from satellites, and flying saucer shaped mylar balloons. Perhaps the most challenging are the one-off unusual events – pranks or hoaxes, or just bizarre accidents.
When one concludes that an object is something fantastical (alien craft or government conspiracy) from the fact that they cannot identify it, the unspoken major premise is that they should be able to identify it, if it were something mundane. But this is a terrible premise.
Even a birder may have a hard time identifying an exotic species they have never seen before. And there are occasional “weirdos” – mutants or uncommon variants that you are unlikely to find in a birding book. That doesn’t make them fairies.
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My initial impression was of a projected light beam from the ground. So combining all the above, what I think happened was the Russians were targeting an Alien space craft. But it was at night so they needed a beam of light to see it. But the Aliens deployed cloud swirling defense technology – causing the missile to fail.
The media loves a good “baffling.” Yesterday on the front page of the Denver post was an article giving serious credit to the “mystery” of cow mutilation. I believe the headline was “Mutilated Cattle Baffle Ranchers, Cops, UFO Believer”. What was comical to me was the people leaving comments on the article calling anyone who thought this was due to aliens a nutcase, then themselves resorting to satanic cults as the REAL explanation. This of course, is a non mystery and can be explained with a 2 minute Google search, and i believe Phil Plait debunked the Norway lights pretty quickly, so what are the journalists’ excuses?
I actually saw this myself — as I live in northern Norway — and I must say that it was an amazing sight. The norwegian media was actually pretty sober in covering this, and mentioned a russian missile failure as the most likely cause for the spiraling lights.
“we learn that the spiral pattern looks like a portal opening, or like a projection. ”
We know this, because that is how a “portal opening” looks on TV.
Why does most UFO mythology (called “evidence” by the believers) always trace back to the mind of some Hollywood writer or special effects expert?
“Why does most UFO mythology (called “evidence” by the believers) always trace back to the mind of some Hollywood writer or special effects expert?” Well duh, its because those guys ARE aliens. How else do you suppose that they get the details so right?
Not to drudge up another semantic argument, but the event was technically a UFO (unidentified flying object) – briefly. Of course, UFO has become synonymous with “alien spacecraft”, so I understand the use of the word within the context of the blog post.
Additionally, there could actually have been some true conspiracy if Russia had not eventually admitted it was their failed rocket. Though I doubt it would have been anywhere near as fantastical as most would have made it out to have been.
For some reason the BBC article’s not working for me. The headline we got in Australia was not much better though: “Spiralling sky light baffles experts” (with a photoshopped picture of the spiral abducting a telephone pole).
Well, strictly speaking, they are.
At least until they’re identified, anyway. Then they become IFOs.
And this one is now. The Russians have taken responsibility for it. Specifically, it was a Bulava submarine-launched ICBM. It’s had a poor record so far; this is the 12th test flight and the 7th failure. It reportedly failed during third stage ascent. (Previous failures were in the first stage, so perhaps this is progress.) This meant that the failure was at a much higher altitude than previous failures. The spiral shape is probably due to assymmetric thrust providing a violent roll moment even as it pushed the missile over onto the wrong trajectory. Leaking propellant or gases stored for research purposes in the nosecone could have provided the streaks that made up the spiral.
The delay was likely due to individuals involved with it attempting to avoid being at fault. Blame-shifting, IOW. Heads have already rolled, metaphorically speaking, over previous failures. If this missile doesn’t become operational, it would be a colossal waste. It could even be the death-knell for the much-vaunted new nuclear “boomer” subs that the Russians have been building, as they will have no function without Bulava.
This AFP article has a lot of details, including some very unflattering observations on the state of Russian milspace.
New Russian missile failure sparks UFO frenzy
I think Dr. Novella missed the real explanation. Someone obviously strapped a rocket to an ivory billed woodpecker and shot it into the night sky. The spiral movement is due to the panicked bird flapping its wings during the ascent.
Some “media” do love the “bright lights in the sky” type of stories and do jump to conclusions or, more insidiously, just suggest these conclusions by choice quoting.
However, in this case it really was a spaceship. An unmanned one and from a terrestrial origin. However any suggestion it was something more than that is, of course unsupported. This doesn’t stop them from leaving the least Occam like suggestions from their most prominent place in their articles.
The same can be said for every other bit of reporting we see. Articles about Global Warming are always about the “almost upon us, any moment now” catastrophe OR about how it is all faked (depending on who you read.) Articles about scientists are often about how incompetent a lot we are OR, oddly, about how the LHC is about to implode the entire planet in our mad schemes. You never see a sober analysis. It is lacking from American society and possibly others (though I’ll let people from those societies be the judge.)
If Journalists would return to the foundational principles of journalism and return to being boring yet accurate it would be a great benefit to society. In my opinion. Less celebrity news or news that focuses on the extreme and miniscule data points. Is less opinion too much to ask for?
–Pete
P.S. Don’t rule out the Ivory Billed Woodpecker… you never know. At least it is plausible! Jumping to conclusions would be actually sighting the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
What all the reports missed, is that sales of honeyed nougats in Norway sharply increased shortly after the spiral lights sighting.
somehow the idea that Russia test fired an ICBM over Norway at the time the President of the United States was heading to Oslo does not help me sleep better.
perhaps it was a missile defense shield…..test?
Bulava Missiles- They keep on spinning and spinning…
Update: a second spiral in the sky was seen, but over Russia. This one was from a land-launched missile fired from Kasputin Yar (the oldest Russian launch facility), which completed its test flight successfully (or so they say), impacting at a military test facility leased from Kazakhstan. The Bad Astronomer has a post about it, and points out that the spinning motion may actually be intentional, for stability. Obviously, the actual design of the rockets is classified, so it’s all guesswork for now.
Another Russian rocket spiral lights up the sky
I am certain that the lights were caused by the EISCAT facility which is in the area from where the blue beam was coming from. It is technology that heats the ionoshpere to create a large plasma shield that can destroy missiles. The Russians probably tested it as some kind of response to Obama’s speech on nuclear weapons. I think you were refering to this technology when you briefly referenced a “mind control device.” Some say that the device has that potential, but this idea of mind control makes me very skeptical. I think it would just give people a headache or something like that. I don’t believe that it influences animals navigation. It is proven to negatively effect the environment, which is probably why there is so much secrecy around it. I guess it is scary to imagine dismantling a program that could save us from a nuclear missile strike for the theoretical safety of the environment.
The technology is fairly simple. The american program is open to the public labeled as HAARP. The concept was discovered by tesla and materialized and patented by numerous scientists and engineers. It’s pretty interesting stuff. Makes a lot more sense than a missile. The white spiral was actually the plasma shield. The blue beam was the concentrated energy from a series of transmitters a lot like the VAST array except reversed. The black hole at the end was the beam finally piercing through the ionoshere and into dark space.
Hi there Steve,
Long time no talk. I think you’re going to enjoy trying to debunk something that’s, well, bunkless.
I was recently in a nice email exchange with Michael Shermer but he suddenly became uncharacteristically quite mute. And friendly Phil Plait also seems to have gone on an extended retreat, perhaps taking an unexpected vow of silence regarding these matters.
So here for all to contemplate is what’s caused the problem for them…as it probably will for you too:
http://www.prweb.com/releases/UFO_Contactee_Warns_on_/Apophis_Asteroid/prweb3428994.htm
Of course, if we can discuss this rationally it would be very nice…
Michael,
I read the entire page. I am not impressed, as I am sure Shermer and Plait were not impressed and just lost patience with you. It is not fair or reasonable to interpret their silence as if they cannot answer your claims. Your tactic seems to be to exhaust skeptics then declare victory. It’s quite childish.
The “prophesy” you link to is too vague validate anything. He essentially says that a meteor is going to hit us sometime in the future.
He gives few details and the few details he gives are not accurate. Apophis did not come from outside the solar system, and it is not comet-like. BTW – it is also likely not going to hit the Earth, at least no time soon.
Therefore this is nothing but a vague prophesy that you are retrofitting.
If you believe Meier made a specific verifiable prediction – point is out.
Steven,
(blog host note – this comment was edited for length)
Now, as for the prophecy link being “too vague”, it’s funny how you chose to interpret it that way. Actually, you’re enormously selective in what you refer to and, in so being, you not only show your prejudice but the paucity of your investigative skills, let alone curiosity.
Simple point: No one ever said that Apophis was comet-like. Read it again.
As I said, skeptics come to the table with their minds made up. Real scientists don’t do that. Scientists are of course reasonably skeptical but it is not axiomatic that skeptics are reasonably scientific, as my good friends here, you included, amply demonstrate.
The fact that another physicist has…oh, did I forget to mention the first physicist who has stood up for Meier’s case and the information in it? Then allow me to direct you to David Froning (http://theyfly.com/PDF/Scientific%20Experts.PDF) whose credentials as an astrophysicist do, to the best of my knowledge, outstrip Shermer’s, Plait’s, Tyson’s and yours. As you can tell from reading Froning’s comments, he is not at all ashamed to admit having LEARNED SOMETHING and indeed from such an “improbable” source as Meier.
Of course anyone who takes UFO photos from INSIDE of a UFO, of two other UFOs above the Earth, might just not be so improbable after all (see Photo section).
Getting back to my point about physicists, thankfully Anton Hahnekamp is less concerned with saving face than in perhaps helping to save millions of lives, living as he does in the heart of Europe…where Apophis will surely smash down if the rest of the scientific world would let themselves be imprisoned by the pomposity and arrogance of the skeptics who presume to know what they simply don’t.
No, Hahnekamp’s truly inquisitive, probing mind saw the clear and obvious correlation between the, otherwise strange and seemingly inaccurate name, the RED Meteor and the universal language of…color, i.e. red as the universal symbol for DANGER. You think he jumped to a conclusion? Well, it’s the Torino Scale itself that correlates the numerical values with colors and, heck, there’s RED for certainty of collision.
Of course you knew that, right?
At this point allow me to note that, thanks to the internet, we have the democratization of information…in a world that will more and more also have the democratization of suffering, unfortunately. So no longer will people be hanging on every utterance of people just because they have initials after their names; they will have to DEMONSTRATE the presumed intelligence and qualifications represented by those initials. The press release I linked to has now been read by millions of people all over the world…and counting. Our next press release will further expand the awareness of this important information and the one after that will feature more from Hahnekemp, explaining the obvious and potentially fatal flaws in trusting NASA’s unrealistically optimistic assessment of the real danger.
But the fact that we have Meier’s documented, copyrighted publication – not only of the Apophis/Red Meteor information but several other pieces of ironclad, preemptively published information – would be sufficient for any true scientists who possessed the essential element of detective-like curiosity to take a very, very close look at all of the facts apparent.
Skeptics like to raise the bar, complicate issues with things like, “Oh yeah, well why didn’t they give specific orbital information, etc., etc.?” In other words, thinking that they are being “scientific” they really demonstrate that they don’t live in the REAL world. I’m sure that somewhere along the line it’s occurred to you that Pluto exists before it was “discovered”, that earthquakes happened without “peer review” papers being published, before or after, to give credence to the events, and that rather than being some sacred thing at all, science itself is subject to revision, correction, etc. historically.
And really, should a fireman only respond to a call for help if the caller says, “There appears to be an incendiary event, of probable deliberate but possible accidental human caused origins, or known or unknown natural circumstances engulfing a domicile, etc.” Or can we still expect it to be sufficient to say, “There’s a fire at such-and-such address?” In other words, it’s time for real scientists,a s well as skeptics, to get off their high horses and examine that which they otherwise wish to dismiss out of hand, in this instance it’s the Meier case.
As for more “specific predictions” (and you thought I forgot) you will find plenty here:
http://theyfly.com/A_True_Prophet_Revealed.html
http://theyfly.com/articles/WILL_HUMANITY_WAKE_%20UP%20.htm
…and throughout my site.
As for plain, in your face evidence that Meier’s UFOS – as opposed to the majority that are most likely simply secret military craft or other easily explained phenomena – this should do:
http://theyfly.com/Final_Proof_Hasenbol.html
Look at it, read it, watch it and…think it through.
If you’ve indeed allowed me to respond here, I trust that you will understand that Meier’s and the Plejaren information is meant for the whole world, to assist us help us assure our own, ever less likely, future survival. If the skeptics, so superbly and soundly defeated as they are, would like to participate in facilitating that intention, then now is the time to join the rest of the every growing numbers of people who have the intelligence, wisdom and…common sense to act upon the assistance we we’ve been offered.
Michael,
Thanks for making my point about exhausting skeptics. I edited your first post for length. And anyway, let us stay on point – the alleged prophesy.
You come back with a lot of bluster, but have failed to do the one thing I requested – point to one specific and verified detail. You keep trying to put the burden of proof on scientists – but that is not where the burden lies.
To quote from your own page:
“A meteor from space – comet-like,
races close and crashes in the big pond, ”
Forgive me if I misread this “poetry” – but again, that is the point, nice and vague.
So “comet-like” does not mean comet-like? Or this prophesy was not referring to Apophis? Again – you only make my point about vagueness.
Those who provide crappy evidence are quick to exclaim “closed-minded” when others don’t accept their crappy evidence.
Provide a specific and verified prediction, or this conversation will only go around in circles.
Steven,
The poetic line from 1976 clearly says, “A METEOR from space” and, should Apophis indeed come into the atmosphere on its way to collide with the Earth, it quite accurately states, “comet-like,
races close and crashes in the big pond, the air it burns up as a glowing ball” as it most likely will appear comet-like to us.
First, I’ll just briefly note two things. One, Phil Plait indeed did ask for “predictive evidence”:
“What do I count as evidence? Hard, physical data…I want some piece of predictive evidence — a map of an alien world that can eventually be verified, or an alien-given advance in physics that can later be verified with the LHC or some other cutting-edge technology…it has to be definite and precise, so that there is no controversy.”
And Derek Bartholomaus, representing CFI-West/IIG, was given a segment in our film to make the best case that Meier hoaxed his UFO photos and films using models. He was forced by the facts, and his own colossal ineptitude for failing to investigate them, to RETRACT his claim (http://theyfly.com/newsflash91/Top_Skeptic_Fixed.htm) after having had some 9 YEARS in which to make a simple, clear, documented, substantiated case to prove their slanderous claims. He then went on, after being rebuffed by Uncharted Territory, to falsify my email http://theyfly.com/SkepticsCaught.htm.
Predictions (I’ll them and then links below):
115th Contact, October 19, 1978: Io the most volcanically active body in the solar system, also that Europa was ice encrusted, Jupiter had rings
Corroborated March 5, 1979: NASA’s Voyager 1 probe discovered the rings of Jupiter
Corroborated March 12, 1979: NASA announced “most important discovery of the mission” that Io is the most volcanically active body in the solar system and that Europa is covered in ice—five months after Meier published this information.
29th Contact, July 7, 1975 Venus information: surface temperature, atmospheric pressure, composition and percentage of gases in atmosphere, wind velocities, in addition to actual origin of Venus and other details that may or may not yet be known
31st Contact, July 17, 1975 Venus information: coloration and thickness of cloud cover, crater-covered landscape, mountains of varying heights, etc.
Corroborated: October 1975 and August 1976, confirmed by probes from the USSR and USA respectively.
Corroborated: February 1981; USGS [US Geological Survey] was producing a topographical map of Venus which, as discovered by the investigative team, further confirmed the details Meier had published five years earlier.
45th Contact, February 25, 1976:
Semjase (Meier’s extraterrestrial female contactor) warned him that our extraction of petroleum and natural gas from the Earth, the damming of waters and construction of huge cities are major factors contributing to increased earthquake/volcanic activity.
Corroborated: June 27, 1990, in The Good Life newspaper (now defunct), Los Angeles: “Earthquakes, Oil Interact”.
Also: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29015900/
Reservoir dam may have triggered China quake
Scientists say finding suggests human activity played a role in the disaster
July 8, 1976 Mars information re discovery of water, primitive life forms and hostile nature of environment, scooped NASA’s discoveries of July and August 2008…by 32 years
1978, 1992:
In his book, Existing Life in the Universe, Meier stated that there are two small planetary bodies outside Pluto’s orbit; he called them Trans-Pluto and Uni, and said scientists will discover them in the not-too-distant future.
Corroborated: July 3, 2001 and October 7, 2002, the BBC reported that scientists have discovered a new planet beyond Pluto.
In the same book, in 1978 Meier predicted the forthcoming discovery, and subsequent naming, of a comet that would be called Toutatis. In this same book he gave additional, subsequently verified information about a number of comets.
• 251st Contact, February 3, 1995:
This contact contains startling information regarding technological developments such as hybrid warriors created by mixing human and pig DNA. People will have biochips attached to their nerve endings, and Meier warned of ominous biochipping with links to Deep Space Platform satellites and supercomputer.
Corroborated: Human–pig DNA experiments have begun in the last several years; people are starting to get “chipped”.
Still speculative: Creation of half-human/half-machine beings, clones and androids; discoveries that conclusively confirm existence of previous human life on Mars; rectification of the “ageing” and “aggression” genes; Plejaren warnings of deep-impact scenario, and need for a defence system for incoming objects.
The 5,100 Year-Old Iceman: While the information on the 5,100 year-old iceman is not astronomical in nature, it is another ironclad example of Meier publishing very unique, specific, accurate information well in advance of “official discovery”. Meier is told of the Iceman before discovery is made but, more importantly, what caused his death 5-10 years before “official” discovery http://theyfly.com/newsflash91/5100_year_old_man.htm
Meier: “The climate warms ever faster, whereby the snowfall is also absent ever more frequently in the deeper sites, while the Earth’s polar ice masses, as well as the glaciers melt ever faster, which leads to this: that by the year 2100, in some cases, the water of the seas will rise up to 160 centimeters (5’3″). Forceful natural changes have become unstoppable…” (Orignally from Ptaah, November 18, 2006.)
Corroborated: ScienceDaily (Dec. 8, 2009) — A new scientific study warns that sea level could rise much faster than previously expected. By the year 2100, global sea level could rise between 75 and 190 centimetres, according to a paper published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
Meier (2008): “…in only 45 to 50 more years the Earth, all countries and humanity, will be confronted with 200 million environmental refugees.”
Corroborated: (CNN) – “A new kind of refugee is on the rise. And by 2050, there could be as many as 200 million of them…”
MEIER: Regarding melting of glaciers from 1964: “Glaciers melt away worldwide just as do the masses of ice of the Arctic and Antarctic. The world’s climate rapidly warms which leads to monstrous revolutions in the climate which bring with them great waves of heat and cold, blasts of fire as well as droughts, floods, snowstorms and hailstorms.”
CORROBORATED: Swiss glaciers melting faster than ever before: study
ZURICH (Reuters) – Switzerland’s glaciers shrank by 12 percent over the past decade, melting at their fastest rate due to rising temperatures and lighter snowfalls, a study by the Swiss university ETH showed Monday.
Steven, out of respect for the space here, I will give this link where more incontrovertible evidence of Meier’s foreknowledge of specific, corroborated information can be found:
http://theyfly.com/articles/WILL_HUMANITY_WAKE_%20UP%20.htm
Also, in the Prophecies and Predictions section, Meier’s earliest published information, starting in 1951 and 1958, is both painfully specific and accurate.
Intellectual honesty requires that we dispense with cynical, theoretical “could have” kinds of conjecture, since the eight-year, on site investigation,a s well as the continuing 30+ year research and investigation, has eliminated all possibilities of hoaxing, etc.
As you can see, the Meier case is really not that much about UFOs, despite the fact that his “advisors” clearly come in them:
http://theyfly.com/Final_Proof_Hasenbol.html
And I’d like to be the first to suggest that we adopt the following attitude, ” Okay, so he has contact with extraterrestrial human beings and they’ve given us a foundation of credible information sufficient to encourage us to take their warnings seriously, including about Apophis, etc., etc. Now, what can we learn from this information about HOW to implement that which will help us assure our future survival?”
P.S. I might have missed a thing here or there in terms of dating, i.e. the CNN info corroborating Meier’s info on environmental refugees was published in 2009.
There’s lots more, most of it still in German, but a read of this letter from 1958 should also provide some insight on what Meier also says is yet to come:
http://theyfly.com/lost/meier.prophecies.1958.htm
I do thank you, Steven, for the opportunity to present this information. My purpose is really not to be contentious, insulting, etc., though Meier’s been on the receiving end of that kind of stuff, along with the 21 attempts on his life, for decades.
I do want to point out, however, that this VERY improbable person is a scientific thinker, recommends that humans don’t believe ANYTHING but think clearly and solely for themselves, using the best available information. He outlined some of this in this article:
http://theyfly.com/spiritual/rules/rules.htm
…written when he was 14 years-old.
To all concerned, Steve and I have been involved in both an online and email exchange about the topic I have raised here.
However, realizing that there is something more than simple stubbornness and arrogance afoot, I am posting the following quote of Steve’s – assuming it survives his editing – that will explain why he is having such difficulty in addressing the mountain of evidence and predictive information that authenticates the Meier case. Please note that neither Steve, nor anyone else, has actually substantiated one of the defamatory claims that he has signed his name to:
“Billy Meier’s story has prompted a great deal of research into his claims, both by skeptics and those within the UFO community who expected to confirm his reports. What was discovered is that the Billy Meier story actually represents the biggest UFO hoax in history. Upon close examination it was discovered that not one of his alleged photographs were original prints, but all had been airbrushed or otherwise altered. Models of some of the spacecraft seen in his photo’s were found in his house. In one video of an alleged flying saucer, the spacecraft can clearly be seen to be swinging pendulum style as if it were suspended by a wire. The photograph of an alleged Pleiadian alien was discovered to be a photocopy of a model taken from a Sears Catalog. Under close scrutiny, all of Billy Meier’s alleged evidence has been shown to be false.
Yet, Billy Meier’s claims survived for many years within the UFO community, being touted as the best evidence for the reality of alien visitation. There are still those who will not admit the entire case is a complete fraud. Meanwhile, Meier has made a great deal of money from the sale of his book and other material in which he discusses his hoaxed contact with aliens. ” – Steve Novella
…such is the sad state of affairs for humanity when its self-appointed arbiters of truth are plain, shameless defamers who spew such stuff without any…evidence at all.
A great thread, but i feel the rocket theory doesn’t stand up to closer analysis.
Confirm specific info on the Bulava rocket… solid fuel and only 12m long.
Note the massive area of atmosphere/ ionosphere covered by the spiral
Note the lack of gravitational/ wind dispersion of the spiral plume
Check on the proposed flight path of said rocket.. from the white sea, across Finland into Norwegian air space.
See that said rocket would have passed over populated areas.. on a clear night (weather confirmed)
Note that the Russian “steer clear” message does not cover the geographical area north of Tromso, Norway.
I cannot find any protest/ response from official Norwegian/ Finnish agencies over invasion of airspace… by a ballistic missile
I have checked out countless missile failure videos… they are not that similar
I don’t pretend to know what this is, various theories are interesting.. but there is no specific evidence for Haarp/Eiscatt/ Apophis
I hope we can all agree it is amazing and beautiful nonetheless
Surely, there is some radar data in the public domain to clarify the missile theory further
Daz