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	<title>Comments on: The Long Awaited CDC Trial on Thimerosal and Autism</title>
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		<title>By: daedalus2u</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/the-long-awaited-cdc-trial-on-thimerosal-and-autism/comment-page-1/#comment-26146</link>
		<dc:creator>daedalus2u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 01:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Hannah Poling settlement had nothing to do with autism.  It was about encephalopathy which is sometimes caused by the immune system stimulation of vaccines, particularly in people who are especially sensitive to such things, such as people with mitochondrial disorders (which HP may or may not have, she does have the variation, but that may not be adverse, it is in one of the protein synthesizing molecules (as I remember), not one of the proteins in the respiration chain).  

The report the settlement was based on was illegally leaked to the media.  I think that the people who wrote the report would never have used &quot;autism-like&quot; if they knew it was going to be latched onto by the media and the anti-vaccine people.  

I think the special masters have to sign off on the decision, but it is a pro forma decision if it is a table injury, which encephalopathy is.  The only reason it took so long was because the Polings lawyer tried to use this encephalopathy as an autism test case (when it wasn&#039;t).  That is malpractice by the lawyers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Hannah Poling settlement had nothing to do with autism.  It was about encephalopathy which is sometimes caused by the immune system stimulation of vaccines, particularly in people who are especially sensitive to such things, such as people with mitochondrial disorders (which HP may or may not have, she does have the variation, but that may not be adverse, it is in one of the protein synthesizing molecules (as I remember), not one of the proteins in the respiration chain).  </p>
<p>The report the settlement was based on was illegally leaked to the media.  I think that the people who wrote the report would never have used &#8220;autism-like&#8221; if they knew it was going to be latched onto by the media and the anti-vaccine people.  </p>
<p>I think the special masters have to sign off on the decision, but it is a pro forma decision if it is a table injury, which encephalopathy is.  The only reason it took so long was because the Polings lawyer tried to use this encephalopathy as an autism test case (when it wasn&#8217;t).  That is malpractice by the lawyers.</p>
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		<title>By: halincoh</title>
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		<dc:creator>halincoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2010 23:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ daedalus2u

Then I&#039;m completedly dumfounded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ daedalus2u</p>
<p>Then I&#8217;m completedly dumfounded.</p>
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		<title>By: SquirrelElite</title>
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		<dc:creator>SquirrelElite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2010 19:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For more background on the Hannah Poling case, Dr Gorski&#039;s article from 2008 in SBM is also a good source:

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=66#more-66

Originally, Hannah&#039;s case was part of the Autism Omnibus proceedings. But, it was pulled out for a separate decision because of her diagnosed mitochondrial disorder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For more background on the Hannah Poling case, Dr Gorski&#8217;s article from 2008 in SBM is also a good source:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=66#more-66" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=66#more-66</a></p>
<p>Originally, Hannah&#8217;s case was part of the Autism Omnibus proceedings. But, it was pulled out for a separate decision because of her diagnosed mitochondrial disorder.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisH</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2010 19:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/CAMPBELLSMITH.%20DOE77082710.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;document&lt;/a&gt; shows that the Special Master made the judgment. 

The difference is that this was not part of the Autism Omnibus proceedings, as it is not listed &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/node/5026&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This <a href="http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/CAMPBELLSMITH.%20DOE77082710.pdf" rel="nofollow">document</a> shows that the Special Master made the judgment. </p>
<p>The difference is that this was not part of the Autism Omnibus proceedings, as it is not listed <a href="http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/node/5026" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2010 19:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, guess I should clarify - what I am wondering is really 2 things:

do special masters make the decision for all table injuries or does someone else - who determines whether something is a table injury or not?

and

due to the &quot;autism-like&quot; issues, was the Poling decision made by a special master who used the table for the appropriate encephalitis claim or did someone else make the decision because it was determined to be a table injury?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, guess I should clarify &#8211; what I am wondering is really 2 things:</p>
<p>do special masters make the decision for all table injuries or does someone else &#8211; who determines whether something is a table injury or not?</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>due to the &#8220;autism-like&#8221; issues, was the Poling decision made by a special master who used the table for the appropriate encephalitis claim or did someone else make the decision because it was determined to be a table injury?</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2010 19:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@SquirrelElite:  That&#039;s what I was wondering.  I knew she was compensated as a table injury due to the encephalitis, but what I don&#039;t know (and guess I phrased it badly) is if it requires a special master&#039;s review to determine a table injury or if someone else makes that decision based on the medical record.  That is something I don&#039;t recall reading anywhere.  I know the decision is available, which would, I assume, let me know who made it - a special master or someone else - but I can&#039;t seem to get my computer to access it....our IT people block the weirdest things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@SquirrelElite:  That&#8217;s what I was wondering.  I knew she was compensated as a table injury due to the encephalitis, but what I don&#8217;t know (and guess I phrased it badly) is if it requires a special master&#8217;s review to determine a table injury or if someone else makes that decision based on the medical record.  That is something I don&#8217;t recall reading anywhere.  I know the decision is available, which would, I assume, let me know who made it &#8211; a special master or someone else &#8211; but I can&#8217;t seem to get my computer to access it&#8230;.our IT people block the weirdest things.</p>
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		<title>By: SquirrelElite</title>
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		<dc:creator>SquirrelElite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2010 18:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dawn,

The Hannah Poling case has been discussed several times on this and other blogs.

I provided a link to some links in my Sept 13 comment.

It may have gone to a special master because of the autism claim, but it was compensated instead because she developed encephalopathy and that is already a table injury.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dawn,</p>
<p>The Hannah Poling case has been discussed several times on this and other blogs.</p>
<p>I provided a link to some links in my Sept 13 comment.</p>
<p>It may have gone to a special master because of the autism claim, but it was compensated instead because she developed encephalopathy and that is already a table injury.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2010 17:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@daedalus2u:  I was under the impression that since the Poling case was handled as a table injury it didn&#039;t go before a special master? Or do they evaluate table injuries too?  I&#039;m not that up on the Vaccine court.

@SquirrelElite: that&#039;s very interesting.  I&#039;d never heard of that project.  Thanks for the info. And thanks for the hrsa info.  I didn&#039;t know about that, either.  That&#039;s why I love these blogs; I learn so much!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@daedalus2u:  I was under the impression that since the Poling case was handled as a table injury it didn&#8217;t go before a special master? Or do they evaluate table injuries too?  I&#8217;m not that up on the Vaccine court.</p>
<p>@SquirrelElite: that&#8217;s very interesting.  I&#8217;d never heard of that project.  Thanks for the info. And thanks for the hrsa info.  I didn&#8217;t know about that, either.  That&#8217;s why I love these blogs; I learn so much!</p>
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		<title>By: SquirrelElite</title>
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		<dc:creator>SquirrelElite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2010 17:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HRSA also keeps a regularly updated table of statistics on the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVICP).

http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/statistics_report.htm#statistics_report

Since this represents claims that have actually been filed and are somewhere in the process of being evaluated and either compensated or dismissed, it has somewhat more statistical and historical validity than the VAERS numbers.

Also, I noted that they have been working for two years on a project 

&lt;blockquote&gt;
to review the epidemiological, clinical, and biological evidence regarding adverse health events associated with specific vaccines covered by the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. 

The vaccines to be reviewed are

    * varicella vaccines,
    * influenza vaccines,
    * hepatitis B vaccine,
    * human papillomavirus virus vaccines,
    * hepatitis A vaccines,
    * meningococcal vaccines,
    * measles-mumps rubella vaccines, and
    * diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis vaccines 

The committee will author a consensus report with conclusions on the evidence bearing on causality and the evidence regarding the biological mechanisms that underlie specific theories for how a specific vaccine is related to a specific adverse event. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Since the first meeting was in April 2009, perhaps the committee will finish the project and issue a report next year. That should be very interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HRSA also keeps a regularly updated table of statistics on the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVICP).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/statistics_report.htm#statistics_report" rel="nofollow">http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/statistics_report.htm#statistics_report</a></p>
<p>Since this represents claims that have actually been filed and are somewhere in the process of being evaluated and either compensated or dismissed, it has somewhat more statistical and historical validity than the VAERS numbers.</p>
<p>Also, I noted that they have been working for two years on a project </p>
<blockquote><p>
to review the epidemiological, clinical, and biological evidence regarding adverse health events associated with specific vaccines covered by the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. </p>
<p>The vaccines to be reviewed are</p>
<p>    * varicella vaccines,<br />
    * influenza vaccines,<br />
    * hepatitis B vaccine,<br />
    * human papillomavirus virus vaccines,<br />
    * hepatitis A vaccines,<br />
    * meningococcal vaccines,<br />
    * measles-mumps rubella vaccines, and<br />
    * diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis vaccines </p>
<p>The committee will author a consensus report with conclusions on the evidence bearing on causality and the evidence regarding the biological mechanisms that underlie specific theories for how a specific vaccine is related to a specific adverse event.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Since the first meeting was in April 2009, perhaps the committee will finish the project and issue a report next year. That should be very interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: daedalus2u</title>
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		<dc:creator>daedalus2u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2010 16:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Hannah Poling case was not before a jury but before special masters, who are judges with the technical expertise to understand the medical issues involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Hannah Poling case was not before a jury but before special masters, who are judges with the technical expertise to understand the medical issues involved.</p>
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