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	<title>Comments on: The Context of Anecdotes and Anomalies</title>
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		<title>By: zoe237</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/the-context-of-anecdotes-and-anomalies/comment-page-1/#comment-28382</link>
		<dc:creator>zoe237</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2010 04:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with most of what you&#039;ve written, that anecdotes and anomalies are considered in generating hypotheses. I don&#039;t think, however, that you&#039;ve proven that they aren&#039;t used at all in the later justification. Many many research studies are nothing but a collection of anecdotes, particularly non rcts. We *attempt* to collect these observations methodically, but science is biased, there is no doubt in my mind about that. Confirmation bias is common every step of the way, not just the first, and subject to file drawer effect.  I do agree that it is the most unbiased way of thinking that we currently have, but to ignore the human aspect of science is folly. Scientists must always be aware that they are human and subject to fallacy. Anomalies are usually found and measured via standard deviation and we attempt to explain them away. Sometimes anomalies accumulate until we DO need a new paradigm.  So I&#039;m unconvinced that anomalies and anecdotes are never a part of the later steps of the scientific method. Or maybe I&#039;m missing the point?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with most of what you&#8217;ve written, that anecdotes and anomalies are considered in generating hypotheses. I don&#8217;t think, however, that you&#8217;ve proven that they aren&#8217;t used at all in the later justification. Many many research studies are nothing but a collection of anecdotes, particularly non rcts. We *attempt* to collect these observations methodically, but science is biased, there is no doubt in my mind about that. Confirmation bias is common every step of the way, not just the first, and subject to file drawer effect.  I do agree that it is the most unbiased way of thinking that we currently have, but to ignore the human aspect of science is folly. Scientists must always be aware that they are human and subject to fallacy. Anomalies are usually found and measured via standard deviation and we attempt to explain them away. Sometimes anomalies accumulate until we DO need a new paradigm.  So I&#8217;m unconvinced that anomalies and anecdotes are never a part of the later steps of the scientific method. Or maybe I&#8217;m missing the point?</p>
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		<title>By: BillyJoe7</title>
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		<dc:creator>BillyJoe7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Dec 2010 20:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
“For every anecdote, there is an equal and opposite anecdote”
“The plural of anectode is not data”
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Anecdotes are useful for &lt;i&gt;generating&lt;/i&gt; hypotheses but useless for &lt;i&gt;testing&lt;/i&gt; hypotheses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
“For every anecdote, there is an equal and opposite anecdote”<br />
“The plural of anectode is not data”
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<p>Anecdotes are useful for <i>generating</i> hypotheses but useless for <i>testing</i> hypotheses.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Dec 2010 16:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article. I&#039;m sure many of us know someone who swears by [insert kooky idea] because he/she has *personally* experienced its veracity.

Now that the good doctor has supplied us with the intellectual ammo, it&#039;s time we start shooting down anecdotal &#039;evidence&#039; wherever it rears its fallacious head.

Post duly linked to and promoted: http://the-attempts.blogspot.com/2010/12/plural-of-anecdote-is-anecdotes-not.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article. I&#8217;m sure many of us know someone who swears by [insert kooky idea] because he/she has *personally* experienced its veracity.</p>
<p>Now that the good doctor has supplied us with the intellectual ammo, it&#8217;s time we start shooting down anecdotal &#8216;evidence&#8217; wherever it rears its fallacious head.</p>
<p>Post duly linked to and promoted: <a href="http://the-attempts.blogspot.com/2010/12/plural-of-anecdote-is-anecdotes-not.html" rel="nofollow">http://the-attempts.blogspot.com/2010/12/plural-of-anecdote-is-anecdotes-not.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: petrucio</title>
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		<dc:creator>petrucio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 21:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, this post is priceless.

And so are these two quotes:
&quot;For every anecdote, there is an equal and opposite anecdote&quot;
&quot;The plural of anectode is not data&quot;

Steve, do you mind if I translate it to portuguese and post it with linkback?

I think you don&#039;t read older posts comments, so I&#039;ll email you later with that request.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, this post is priceless.</p>
<p>And so are these two quotes:<br />
&#8220;For every anecdote, there is an equal and opposite anecdote&#8221;<br />
&#8220;The plural of anectode is not data&#8221;</p>
<p>Steve, do you mind if I translate it to portuguese and post it with linkback?</p>
<p>I think you don&#8217;t read older posts comments, so I&#8217;ll email you later with that request.</p>
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		<title>By: VRAlbany</title>
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		<dc:creator>VRAlbany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 13:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha, great example, frogs.

And Elmer,
Perhaps those weren&#039;t the best examples, but they were the first things that came to mind.  I was just using them to try and gain some tools for rational discourse in the future with people who advocate for whatever unconfirmed remedy/theory/what have you with a stockpile of anecdotes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha, great example, frogs.</p>
<p>And Elmer,<br />
Perhaps those weren&#8217;t the best examples, but they were the first things that came to mind.  I was just using them to try and gain some tools for rational discourse in the future with people who advocate for whatever unconfirmed remedy/theory/what have you with a stockpile of anecdotes.</p>
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		<title>By: elmer mccurdy</title>
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		<dc:creator>elmer mccurdy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 07:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VRAlbany:

Seems to me that acupuncture and homeopathy are not the most relevant examples, since, beyond having mere anecdotal evidence to back them up, there is good evidence showing that they don&#039;t work (I still think some kinds of dry needling that haven&#039;t been studied adequately could possibly have non-placebo effects, but presumably we&#039;ll see, eventually). Of course, many treatmnets commonly practiced by doctors have only anecdotal evidence to back them up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VRAlbany:</p>
<p>Seems to me that acupuncture and homeopathy are not the most relevant examples, since, beyond having mere anecdotal evidence to back them up, there is good evidence showing that they don&#8217;t work (I still think some kinds of dry needling that haven&#8217;t been studied adequately could possibly have non-placebo effects, but presumably we&#8217;ll see, eventually). Of course, many treatmnets commonly practiced by doctors have only anecdotal evidence to back them up.</p>
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		<title>By: stompsfrogs</title>
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		<dc:creator>stompsfrogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 00:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ VRAlbany

The witnesses to Joseph Smith&#039;s miraculous golden tablets were three people, because if it was just one guy nobody would&#039;ve believed him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ VRAlbany</p>
<p>The witnesses to Joseph Smith&#8217;s miraculous golden tablets were three people, because if it was just one guy nobody would&#8217;ve believed him.</p>
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		<title>By: VRAlbany</title>
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		<dc:creator>VRAlbany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 15:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As BillyJoe said – the plural of anecdote is anecdotes, not data.&quot;

I like that.  It&#039;s an easy, concise concept to remember.  And I now feel better equipped to recognize confirmation bias.
Thank you both for the clarification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As BillyJoe said – the plural of anecdote is anecdotes, not data.&#8221;</p>
<p>I like that.  It&#8217;s an easy, concise concept to remember.  And I now feel better equipped to recognize confirmation bias.<br />
Thank you both for the clarification.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Novella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Novella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 13:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As BillyJoe said - the plural of anecdote is anecdotes, not data. And you already hit upon the reason - systematic and reinforcing biases. Anecdotes generate beliefs which generate more anecdotes in a process of confirmation bias that can seem compelling but is not predictive. 

In other words - millions and even billions of people can be systematically wrong. 

RedQueen - I would say no, but the separation of discovery and confirmation is simply just another demarcation problem. Most such dichotomies are, in fact, continua - but that does not mean they are not real. There is a difference between science and pseudoscience, even though there is not bright line between the two but rather a continuum. 

So while many scientific activities combine or blur the lines between discovery and validation, that does not mean these are not two distinct concepts that need to be understood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As BillyJoe said &#8211; the plural of anecdote is anecdotes, not data. And you already hit upon the reason &#8211; systematic and reinforcing biases. Anecdotes generate beliefs which generate more anecdotes in a process of confirmation bias that can seem compelling but is not predictive. </p>
<p>In other words &#8211; millions and even billions of people can be systematically wrong. </p>
<p>RedQueen &#8211; I would say no, but the separation of discovery and confirmation is simply just another demarcation problem. Most such dichotomies are, in fact, continua &#8211; but that does not mean they are not real. There is a difference between science and pseudoscience, even though there is not bright line between the two but rather a continuum. </p>
<p>So while many scientific activities combine or blur the lines between discovery and validation, that does not mean these are not two distinct concepts that need to be understood.</p>
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		<title>By: BillyJoe7</title>
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		<dc:creator>BillyJoe7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 09:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VRAlbany,

&lt;blockquote&gt;
..when the same observations start to occur in large numbers...does that lend any evidentiary strength to the claims that are being made?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The plural of anecdotes is not data.
However, a large number of &lt;i&gt;independent&lt;/i&gt; subjective reports do strengthen the case for subjecting it to scientific study.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VRAlbany,</p>
<blockquote><p>
..when the same observations start to occur in large numbers&#8230;does that lend any evidentiary strength to the claims that are being made?
</p></blockquote>
<p>The plural of anecdotes is not data.<br />
However, a large number of <i>independent</i> subjective reports do strengthen the case for subjecting it to scientific study.</p>
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