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		<title>By: zealotes</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/proof-of-heaven/comment-page-3/#comment-47619</link>
		<dc:creator>zealotes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 11:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A classic left brain scientific rationalist reduction of the spiritual affective transcendent experience to brain chemistry and electrical impulses. Oh how deficient and diminished is this limited 2 dimensional view of existence...and only as old as the Enlightenment. What a sad intellectually arrogant bunch are materialist fundamentalist left-brain scientific types. Proof of Heaven is one of the best books I have ever read, and I have 2 bachelor degrees and a masters degree from 3 reputable universities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A classic left brain scientific rationalist reduction of the spiritual affective transcendent experience to brain chemistry and electrical impulses. Oh how deficient and diminished is this limited 2 dimensional view of existence&#8230;and only as old as the Enlightenment. What a sad intellectually arrogant bunch are materialist fundamentalist left-brain scientific types. Proof of Heaven is one of the best books I have ever read, and I have 2 bachelor degrees and a masters degree from 3 reputable universities.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Novella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Novella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UFO - Alex is a crank, in my opinion,. He is not being fair at all. He has not been contacting me - I don&#039;t know what he is talking about.

The last time I was on his show he demonstrated a complete misinterpretation of an NDE study. I corrected him, after a very careful read of the study. He never admitted his mistake.

I have read the research (that is such a tired refrain from Alex that it has become a standard joke about him) - that is his dodge when his analysis is simply faulty. It&#039;s the &quot;12 foot stack&quot; approach that UFO proponents are also fond of. 

You try to examine the best evidence, and when that is flimsy proponents simply do their dance and talk about all the other evidence. I have done this dance with Alex more than enough. He doesn&#039;t deserve another go around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UFO &#8211; Alex is a crank, in my opinion,. He is not being fair at all. He has not been contacting me &#8211; I don&#8217;t know what he is talking about.</p>
<p>The last time I was on his show he demonstrated a complete misinterpretation of an NDE study. I corrected him, after a very careful read of the study. He never admitted his mistake.</p>
<p>I have read the research (that is such a tired refrain from Alex that it has become a standard joke about him) &#8211; that is his dodge when his analysis is simply faulty. It&#8217;s the &#8220;12 foot stack&#8221; approach that UFO proponents are also fond of. </p>
<p>You try to examine the best evidence, and when that is flimsy proponents simply do their dance and talk about all the other evidence. I have done this dance with Alex more than enough. He doesn&#8217;t deserve another go around.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Novella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Novella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tess:

I wrote: &quot;Of course his brain did not go instantly from completely inactive to normal or near normal waking consciousness. &quot;

Do you object to this statement?

Alexander has extensively documented his claims. Confidentiality would prohibit his doctors from talking to me or me from gaining access to his medical records. But it does make a convenient excuse for you to dismiss my argument here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tess:</p>
<p>I wrote: &#8220;Of course his brain did not go instantly from completely inactive to normal or near normal waking consciousness. &#8221;</p>
<p>Do you object to this statement?</p>
<p>Alexander has extensively documented his claims. Confidentiality would prohibit his doctors from talking to me or me from gaining access to his medical records. But it does make a convenient excuse for you to dismiss my argument here.</p>
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		<title>By: TessForNDE</title>
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		<dc:creator>TessForNDE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi.

Your not so subtle way of indicating your criticism is irritating and makes it difficult to read because, from the very first sentence, I can tell that you are more interested in mockery than in really writing valid criticism.

I came here looking for someone highly trained to provide valid criticism.

I&#039;ve left, scratching my head.

Why is this person posting here rather than contacting Dr. Alexander to look at the real facts of his case?  Did you discuss with his doctors?  Did you look at his medical records?

The criticism I have of your criticism is your use of &quot;of course&quot;.  Assumptions, not facts, &quot;doctor&quot;.

Sheeze.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi.</p>
<p>Your not so subtle way of indicating your criticism is irritating and makes it difficult to read because, from the very first sentence, I can tell that you are more interested in mockery than in really writing valid criticism.</p>
<p>I came here looking for someone highly trained to provide valid criticism.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve left, scratching my head.</p>
<p>Why is this person posting here rather than contacting Dr. Alexander to look at the real facts of his case?  Did you discuss with his doctors?  Did you look at his medical records?</p>
<p>The criticism I have of your criticism is your use of &#8220;of course&#8221;.  Assumptions, not facts, &#8220;doctor&#8221;.</p>
<p>Sheeze.</p>
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		<title>By: f.roderer</title>
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		<dc:creator>f.roderer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 23:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes, you&#039;re right there is no proof again.

but you missunderstand alexander, when you think, he tried &quot;give sense&quot; to his experience. the experience does make perfect sense, even after you wake up. it stays all clear in mind. unlike dreams or hallucinations. it is just so far from our every day experience, that it is difficult to articulate it:

try to explain to a child what an orgasm feels like.
you simply can&#039;t. no matter how hard you try. it&#039;s not possible.
the child will allways think you&#039;d have gone crazy.

its the same with this experiences.
(i wish to you, that you will experience it before your last morning has broken and i promise you, it&#039;s better than sex. ;-) 
and by the way: the best thing is, you don&#039;t even necessairily need a lifethreatening situation to get to this mindblowing state of mind...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, you&#8217;re right there is no proof again.</p>
<p>but you missunderstand alexander, when you think, he tried &#8220;give sense&#8221; to his experience. the experience does make perfect sense, even after you wake up. it stays all clear in mind. unlike dreams or hallucinations. it is just so far from our every day experience, that it is difficult to articulate it:</p>
<p>try to explain to a child what an orgasm feels like.<br />
you simply can&#8217;t. no matter how hard you try. it&#8217;s not possible.<br />
the child will allways think you&#8217;d have gone crazy.</p>
<p>its the same with this experiences.<br />
(i wish to you, that you will experience it before your last morning has broken and i promise you, it&#8217;s better than sex. <img src='http://theness.com/neurologicablog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
and by the way: the best thing is, you don&#8217;t even necessairily need a lifethreatening situation to get to this mindblowing state of mind&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: BillyJoe7</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 19:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Bronze Dog, that&#039;s what my typo corrected sentence, &quot;when the evidence that SHOULD be there if something is true is NOT there, then absence of evidence IS evidence of absence&quot;, meant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Bronze Dog, that&#8217;s what my typo corrected sentence, &#8220;when the evidence that SHOULD be there if something is true is NOT there, then absence of evidence IS evidence of absence&#8221;, meant.</p>
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		<title>By: Bronze Dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bronze Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 17:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently visited a GIS conference where one of the speakers referred to Rumsfeld&#039;s speech about unknown unknowns as his favorite poem.

And yeah, I get annoyed with the absence of evidence line. An alternate phrasing of the idea of the Modus Tollens exception: If the evidence is absent when and where you expect it to be present, then the absence of evidence becomes evidence of absence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently visited a GIS conference where one of the speakers referred to Rumsfeld&#8217;s speech about unknown unknowns as his favorite poem.</p>
<p>And yeah, I get annoyed with the absence of evidence line. An alternate phrasing of the idea of the Modus Tollens exception: If the evidence is absent when and where you expect it to be present, then the absence of evidence becomes evidence of absence.</p>
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		<title>By: BillyJoe7</title>
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		<dc:creator>BillyJoe7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 08:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you.
But I hope you picked the typo because, otherwise what I said makes no sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you.<br />
But I hope you picked the typo because, otherwise what I said makes no sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Mlema</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mlema</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 01:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BillyJoe, you sound just like Mr. Rumsfeld!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BillyJoe, you sound just like Mr. Rumsfeld!</p>
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		<title>By: BillyJoe7</title>
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		<dc:creator>BillyJoe7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2012 19:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;absence of evidence is not evidence of absence&quot;

But when the evidence that should be there is something is true is not there, then absence of evidence IS evidence of absence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;absence of evidence is not evidence of absence&#8221;</p>
<p>But when the evidence that should be there is something is true is not there, then absence of evidence IS evidence of absence.</p>
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