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	<title>Comments on: New Diet Study Compares Low-Carb with Low-Fat</title>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/new-diet-study-compares-low-carb-with-low-fat/comment-page-1/#comment-4971</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BigSven: &quot;Given that this study did not measure the low-carb dieters caloric intake, please explain how this study supports your statement.&quot;

What? But they did measure it. They just didn&#039;t *restrict* it. Check out the study results, they show the low-carb types were on about 550 calories a day less than when they started.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BigSven: &#8220;Given that this study did not measure the low-carb dieters caloric intake, please explain how this study supports your statement.&#8221;</p>
<p>What? But they did measure it. They just didn&#8217;t *restrict* it. Check out the study results, they show the low-carb types were on about 550 calories a day less than when they started.</p>
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		<title>By: tooth fairy</title>
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		<dc:creator>tooth fairy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No peer reviewed evidence????????? dude we can measure the physiological effects of excercise on the body and it&#039;s acute outcomes and the chronic outcomes and you can have anyone do a sudy and you WILL find that in conjunction with a healthy eating plan you will loose weight. And i can see what you&#039;re thinking-&quot;in conjunction with health eating&quot; well i&#039;d hypothosise that even eating the same as what the subjects were used to, then an increase in excersise would still result in a net loss of weight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No peer reviewed evidence????????? dude we can measure the physiological effects of excercise on the body and it&#8217;s acute outcomes and the chronic outcomes and you can have anyone do a sudy and you WILL find that in conjunction with a healthy eating plan you will loose weight. And i can see what you&#8217;re thinking-&#8221;in conjunction with health eating&#8221; well i&#8217;d hypothosise that even eating the same as what the subjects were used to, then an increase in excersise would still result in a net loss of weight.</p>
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		<title>By: BigSven</title>
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		<dc:creator>BigSven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You say that &quot;What works long term is lifestyle changes, making good food choices easier for more people, increasing exercise, and portion control.&quot;

Given that this study did not measure the low-carb dieters caloric intake, please explain how this study supports your statement.

It may well be that more exercise helps reduce weight long term- though there&#039;s no peer reviewed evidence for that- but this study isn&#039;t evidence either way.  And as to &quot;making good food choices,&quot; well, that&#039;s exactly what this study is looking at- what does &quot;good food choices&quot; mean?

It&#039;s disingenuous to argue that a 60% increase in sustained weight loss is &quot;rearranging the deck furniture on the Titanic.&quot;  It points to a lack of understanding of how appetite, diet, and weight are related, and bears further investigation.

What you should be skeptical about is the assumption that the AMA, AHA and diet industry understands what causes and cures obesity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say that &#8220;What works long term is lifestyle changes, making good food choices easier for more people, increasing exercise, and portion control.&#8221;</p>
<p>Given that this study did not measure the low-carb dieters caloric intake, please explain how this study supports your statement.</p>
<p>It may well be that more exercise helps reduce weight long term- though there&#8217;s no peer reviewed evidence for that- but this study isn&#8217;t evidence either way.  And as to &#8220;making good food choices,&#8221; well, that&#8217;s exactly what this study is looking at- what does &#8220;good food choices&#8221; mean?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s disingenuous to argue that a 60% increase in sustained weight loss is &#8220;rearranging the deck furniture on the Titanic.&#8221;  It points to a lack of understanding of how appetite, diet, and weight are related, and bears further investigation.</p>
<p>What you should be skeptical about is the assumption that the AMA, AHA and diet industry understands what causes and cures obesity.</p>
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		<title>By: DevilsAdvocate</title>
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		<dc:creator>DevilsAdvocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A scholarship athlete in college (ice hockey), I had remained in pretty good shape for maybe ten years after a blown out knee ended my playing days as a senior. During my 30s, however, I slowly lost muscle tone and added weight in small increments, a common enough trajectory for folks moving from youth to middle age. By my mid 40s I had grown into a pudge ball on a clear trajectory for outright obesity. Visions of my own mortality, also common for my then age, dictated I make changes I&#039;d been putting off for years.

Luckily my physician was an old school guy who told me that losing weight was a simple formula  of decreasing calories and increasing exercise while maintaining nutrition. He also cautioned me not to confuse &#039;simple&#039; with &#039;easy&#039;, that it would take a strong commitment and consistency in effort. 

I think the most important insight he gave me was that you cannot reasonably expect to take off -and keep off -in a few months all the excess weight that took years and years to accumulate. He advised I take the long view, a modest monthly weight loss goal of perhaps 5 lbs, with the idea that (1) success would translate into a 60 lbs per year weight loss, and (2) such a comparably long (to faddish diets) program of diet and exercise would require a literal change in how I lived my life in terms rather than a much er diet period after which I would most likely relapse and regain weight. 

I&#039;m 52 now, and moved from 340 lbs at age 46 (hey, I&#039;m 6&#039;6&quot;) to my current relatively svelte drift between 240 in the winter, 230 in the summer. I hit 265 by age 48 after 18 months of his plan, 240 by age 50 or so, and have managed to keep it off till now as I look at age 53 this September*. (Inexplicably, I also lost 1.5 inches in height - cumulative effect of gravity? lol)

I also had knee surgery along the way, and have been skating again for three years. I have sent my player stats from 1973-77 and resume to our local NHL team, the Carolina Hurricanes, and await certain call up for training camp. I sent it 4 years ago and haven&#039;t heard anything yet, but I&#039;m sure this is just an oversight by Hurricanes management. 

*63 shopping days left till my birthday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A scholarship athlete in college (ice hockey), I had remained in pretty good shape for maybe ten years after a blown out knee ended my playing days as a senior. During my 30s, however, I slowly lost muscle tone and added weight in small increments, a common enough trajectory for folks moving from youth to middle age. By my mid 40s I had grown into a pudge ball on a clear trajectory for outright obesity. Visions of my own mortality, also common for my then age, dictated I make changes I&#8217;d been putting off for years.</p>
<p>Luckily my physician was an old school guy who told me that losing weight was a simple formula  of decreasing calories and increasing exercise while maintaining nutrition. He also cautioned me not to confuse &#8216;simple&#8217; with &#8216;easy&#8217;, that it would take a strong commitment and consistency in effort. </p>
<p>I think the most important insight he gave me was that you cannot reasonably expect to take off -and keep off -in a few months all the excess weight that took years and years to accumulate. He advised I take the long view, a modest monthly weight loss goal of perhaps 5 lbs, with the idea that (1) success would translate into a 60 lbs per year weight loss, and (2) such a comparably long (to faddish diets) program of diet and exercise would require a literal change in how I lived my life in terms rather than a much er diet period after which I would most likely relapse and regain weight. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m 52 now, and moved from 340 lbs at age 46 (hey, I&#8217;m 6&#8217;6&#8243;) to my current relatively svelte drift between 240 in the winter, 230 in the summer. I hit 265 by age 48 after 18 months of his plan, 240 by age 50 or so, and have managed to keep it off till now as I look at age 53 this September*. (Inexplicably, I also lost 1.5 inches in height &#8211; cumulative effect of gravity? lol)</p>
<p>I also had knee surgery along the way, and have been skating again for three years. I have sent my player stats from 1973-77 and resume to our local NHL team, the Carolina Hurricanes, and await certain call up for training camp. I sent it 4 years ago and haven&#8217;t heard anything yet, but I&#8217;m sure this is just an oversight by Hurricanes management. </p>
<p>*63 shopping days left till my birthday.</p>
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		<title>By: eiskrystal</title>
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		<dc:creator>eiskrystal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s the new &quot;toxins&quot;. Creatures with teeth...but no eyes...ooh. Definitely not to be trusted.

I wonder if she would trust them if they did have eyes. Would she give them her security details i wonder?

She is right about the Health professionals and diet fad foods though. However since she is no doubt touting herself as a health professional...

I also can&#039;t help noticing that the first person on the list of pics appears to have lost weight by shrinking. Since she looked perfectly healthy beforehand, perhaps this was the only way she could lose the weight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the new &#8220;toxins&#8221;. Creatures with teeth&#8230;but no eyes&#8230;ooh. Definitely not to be trusted.</p>
<p>I wonder if she would trust them if they did have eyes. Would she give them her security details i wonder?</p>
<p>She is right about the Health professionals and diet fad foods though. However since she is no doubt touting herself as a health professional&#8230;</p>
<p>I also can&#8217;t help noticing that the first person on the list of pics appears to have lost weight by shrinking. Since she looked perfectly healthy beforehand, perhaps this was the only way she could lose the weight.</p>
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		<title>By: tooth fairy</title>
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		<dc:creator>tooth fairy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 04:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WHAT THE HELL!! THE GABRIEL METHOD??? some joke?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHAT THE HELL!! THE GABRIEL METHOD??? some joke?</p>
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		<title>By: tooth fairy</title>
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		<dc:creator>tooth fairy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 02:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i know, why the hell would doctors not want people to loose weight? such a crank!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i know, why the hell would doctors not want people to loose weight? such a crank!</p>
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		<title>By: superdave</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 01:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>amazing how often woo seems to claim something that normally takes hard work is actually really easy...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>amazing how often woo seems to claim something that normally takes hard work is actually really easy&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: tooth fairy</title>
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		<dc:creator>tooth fairy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 00:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.perfectabsecret.com/ 

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<p>check this link out by the way!! ***ALARM BELLS***</p>
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		<title>By: tooth fairy</title>
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		<dc:creator>tooth fairy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 00:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BMI is certainly not perfect, it can be applied to the general public, who aren&#039;t more than one or two standard deviations from the average weight height etc. if you&#039;re a body bulider and you&#039;re 160cm your BMI will be quite large and if your quite tall and well built it will also be innacurate, skin folds are a better way but they are more obstrusive adn also you have to be consistent with your measurements, alot of gyms will have someone do a clients skin fold and in 6 weeks for a follow up another person will do the measurements and most likely wont measure in exactly the same plcaces, the weight scales that bounce elsectric signals through the body are OKAY because they read consistantly and give a reasonably accurate measure in terms of overall fat % adn water etc. I&#039;ve been a PT for 10 years now and in my experience a net drop in calorie intake is the way to go-here&#039;s a calculation 24 times your weight will give you your BMR-Base Metabolic Rate, for a relatively normal sized person this is the ammount of calories that the body will burn everyday compleating normal mundane tasks(for an over weight person times by 21 or so becasue alot of the weight is fat and fat as apposed to muscle doesn&#039;t have busy active cells, not much blood passes through so reactions within the cell are far less) so if you can intake this number or 50-200 calories less(depends on your size) than your BMR and do at least 20 mins of excersise a day you&#039;ll be on your way to a slow and healh body adaptation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BMI is certainly not perfect, it can be applied to the general public, who aren&#8217;t more than one or two standard deviations from the average weight height etc. if you&#8217;re a body bulider and you&#8217;re 160cm your BMI will be quite large and if your quite tall and well built it will also be innacurate, skin folds are a better way but they are more obstrusive adn also you have to be consistent with your measurements, alot of gyms will have someone do a clients skin fold and in 6 weeks for a follow up another person will do the measurements and most likely wont measure in exactly the same plcaces, the weight scales that bounce elsectric signals through the body are OKAY because they read consistantly and give a reasonably accurate measure in terms of overall fat % adn water etc. I&#8217;ve been a PT for 10 years now and in my experience a net drop in calorie intake is the way to go-here&#8217;s a calculation 24 times your weight will give you your BMR-Base Metabolic Rate, for a relatively normal sized person this is the ammount of calories that the body will burn everyday compleating normal mundane tasks(for an over weight person times by 21 or so becasue alot of the weight is fat and fat as apposed to muscle doesn&#8217;t have busy active cells, not much blood passes through so reactions within the cell are far less) so if you can intake this number or 50-200 calories less(depends on your size) than your BMR and do at least 20 mins of excersise a day you&#8217;ll be on your way to a slow and healh body adaptation.</p>
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