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		<title>By: Steve Page</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/new-creation-research-journal/comment-page-1/#comment-1065</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Page</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 23:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was a great piece, Steve, but for some reason, the only words that stuck in my mind were &quot;young earth creationists&quot; and &quot;retards&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was a great piece, Steve, but for some reason, the only words that stuck in my mind were &#8220;young earth creationists&#8221; and &#8220;retards&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: DavidCT</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/new-creation-research-journal/comment-page-1/#comment-1064</link>
		<dc:creator>DavidCT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How would you like to fly in an airplane designed by creation science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How would you like to fly in an airplane designed by creation science.</p>
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		<title>By: Methodissed</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/new-creation-research-journal/comment-page-1/#comment-1063</link>
		<dc:creator>Methodissed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The last sentence of my last posting should read &quot;insufficiently,&quot; not &quot;sufficiently.&quot; :o</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last sentence of my last posting should read &#8220;insufficiently,&#8221; not &#8220;sufficiently.&#8221; <img src='http://theness.com/neurologicablog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Methodissed</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/new-creation-research-journal/comment-page-1/#comment-1062</link>
		<dc:creator>Methodissed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;&quot;Where is the peer-reviewed research?&quot;

Great observation. This question is still valid with just a minor modification. &quot;In what &#039;scientific&#039; peer-reviewed journal was the research published?&quot; The Creation Research Journal is sure to be pseudoscientific and therefore does not qualify. 

Naturally we would also want to know how well it weathered public scrutiny and if the results have been independently reproduced. Unfortunately the general public is sufficiently informed to ask these basic questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&#8221;Where is the peer-reviewed research?&#8221;</p>
<p>Great observation. This question is still valid with just a minor modification. &#8220;In what &#8216;scientific&#8217; peer-reviewed journal was the research published?&#8221; The Creation Research Journal is sure to be pseudoscientific and therefore does not qualify. </p>
<p>Naturally we would also want to know how well it weathered public scrutiny and if the results have been independently reproduced. Unfortunately the general public is sufficiently informed to ask these basic questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Coon</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/new-creation-research-journal/comment-page-1/#comment-1060</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Coon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skepticism is losing two of its more effective quick retorts:

&quot;Why not take the challenge, prove you can do it, and win a million bucks?&quot;

and

&quot;Where is the peer-reviewed research?&quot;

As someone said (was it Eugenie Scott?), &quot;[A crank] can do more damage in a minute than I can fix in an hour.&quot;  The quick retort is important because it conveys a point in a way that&#039;s quickly and easily digestible to a layperson.

Losing the quick retorts doesn&#039;t make either side&#039;s message more or less legitimate, but it does make the message more difficult to communicate.  And since the skeptic&#039;s message is by nature more subtle and complex, we need all the quick retorts we can get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skepticism is losing two of its more effective quick retorts:</p>
<p>&#8220;Why not take the challenge, prove you can do it, and win a million bucks?&#8221;</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>&#8220;Where is the peer-reviewed research?&#8221;</p>
<p>As someone said (was it Eugenie Scott?), &#8220;[A crank] can do more damage in a minute than I can fix in an hour.&#8221;  The quick retort is important because it conveys a point in a way that&#8217;s quickly and easily digestible to a layperson.</p>
<p>Losing the quick retorts doesn&#8217;t make either side&#8217;s message more or less legitimate, but it does make the message more difficult to communicate.  And since the skeptic&#8217;s message is by nature more subtle and complex, we need all the quick retorts we can get.</p>
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		<title>By: eiskrystal</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/new-creation-research-journal/comment-page-1/#comment-1059</link>
		<dc:creator>eiskrystal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great, more reheated propaganda that we will be forced to read and respond to. The good news, it will be exactly the same stuff as before so it shouldn&#039;t take too long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great, more reheated propaganda that we will be forced to read and respond to. The good news, it will be exactly the same stuff as before so it shouldn&#8217;t take too long.</p>
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		<title>By: ellazimm</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/new-creation-research-journal/comment-page-1/#comment-1057</link>
		<dc:creator>ellazimm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 06:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It will be amusing to see how the internal differences in Biblical interpretation work themselves out; I predict a schism or two.  Aside from that how will it be different from the Answers in Genesis website?  How much different can it be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will be amusing to see how the internal differences in Biblical interpretation work themselves out; I predict a schism or two.  Aside from that how will it be different from the Answers in Genesis website?  How much different can it be?</p>
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		<title>By: daijiyobu</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/new-creation-research-journal/comment-page-1/#comment-1055</link>
		<dc:creator>daijiyobu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SN wrote: &quot;it is simply not possible for legitimate science to reverse this process, to begin with a conclusion and subvert facts and logic to this belief ...&quot;

This reminds me of something published in 1890 [yes, about 118 years ago!], 

written in Popular Science Monthly&#039;s editorial section 

(vol. XXXVI, p.122; archived here in full since it is out of copyright, http://books.google.com/books/pdf/The_Popular_Science_Monthly.pdf?id=lt4KAAAAYAAJ&amp;output=pdf&amp;sig=gq3DJocr3dJ9eTh7az4rnDSh07E ) 

in response to the complaint from a member of the clergy who asserted that the secularity / &#039;agnosticism&#039; / nonreligiosity of Herbert Spencer&#039;s &#039;Data of Ethics&#039; was a position as sectic / religious as any creed / system of belief (huh?!?) [similar to Creationists claiming that evolution and the scientific outlook are just another religion {always fails in court}]:

&quot;he says that to introduce such a book is to give a sectarian character to the school [a public school...] we [this journal&#039;s editors] must enter a protest.  Science is never sectarian; philosophy is never sectarian.  Sectarian teaching begins when you ask a man or a child to assume what cannot be proved, for the sake of keeping within the dogmatic lines that fence some particular creed.&quot;

-r.c.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SN wrote: &#8220;it is simply not possible for legitimate science to reverse this process, to begin with a conclusion and subvert facts and logic to this belief &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>This reminds me of something published in 1890 [yes, about 118 years ago!], </p>
<p>written in Popular Science Monthly&#8217;s editorial section </p>
<p>(vol. XXXVI, p.122; archived here in full since it is out of copyright, <a href="http://books.google.com/books/pdf/The_Popular_Science_Monthly.pdf?id=lt4KAAAAYAAJ&#038;output=pdf&#038;sig=gq3DJocr3dJ9eTh7az4rnDSh07E" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/books/pdf/The_Popular_Science_Monthly.pdf?id=lt4KAAAAYAAJ&#038;output=pdf&#038;sig=gq3DJocr3dJ9eTh7az4rnDSh07E</a> ) </p>
<p>in response to the complaint from a member of the clergy who asserted that the secularity / &#8216;agnosticism&#8217; / nonreligiosity of Herbert Spencer&#8217;s &#8216;Data of Ethics&#8217; was a position as sectic / religious as any creed / system of belief (huh?!?) [similar to Creationists claiming that evolution and the scientific outlook are just another religion {always fails in court}]:</p>
<p>&#8220;he says that to introduce such a book is to give a sectarian character to the school [a public school...] we [this journal's editors] must enter a protest.  Science is never sectarian; philosophy is never sectarian.  Sectarian teaching begins when you ask a man or a child to assume what cannot be proved, for the sake of keeping within the dogmatic lines that fence some particular creed.&#8221;</p>
<p>-r.c.</p>
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		<title>By: Methodissed</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/new-creation-research-journal/comment-page-1/#comment-1054</link>
		<dc:creator>Methodissed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll bet they can generate some great research to prove that a watch cannot self-assemble. You just sit and observe - for how long?!?! While they are waiting they can probably dream up a purpose for male nipples.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll bet they can generate some great research to prove that a watch cannot self-assemble. You just sit and observe &#8211; for how long?!?! While they are waiting they can probably dream up a purpose for male nipples.</p>
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		<title>By: TheBlackCat</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/new-creation-research-journal/comment-page-1/#comment-1053</link>
		<dc:creator>TheBlackCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You forgot to mention the goal of the paper (from their website):

&quot;ARJ will disseminate research conducted by creationist experts in theology, history, archaeology, anthropology, biology, geology, astronomy, and other disciplines of science by providing scientists, students, &lt;b&gt;and supporters the results of cutting-edge research that demonstrates the validity of the young-earth model, the global Flood, the non-evolutionary origin of &quot;created kinds,&quot; and other evidences that are consistent with the biblical account of origins&lt;/b&gt;.&quot;

(emphasis added)

It is not a legitimate science journal if they state up front they will only accept papers that support a specific conclusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You forgot to mention the goal of the paper (from their website):</p>
<p>&#8220;ARJ will disseminate research conducted by creationist experts in theology, history, archaeology, anthropology, biology, geology, astronomy, and other disciplines of science by providing scientists, students, <b>and supporters the results of cutting-edge research that demonstrates the validity of the young-earth model, the global Flood, the non-evolutionary origin of &#8220;created kinds,&#8221; and other evidences that are consistent with the biblical account of origins</b>.&#8221;</p>
<p>(emphasis added)</p>
<p>It is not a legitimate science journal if they state up front they will only accept papers that support a specific conclusion.</p>
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