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		<title>By: ChrisH</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 16:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should explain that I spent my son&#039;s first four years trying to find out more about his speech disorder and seizures (he had more later while sick with a now vaccine preventable disease), so I checked out almost every book in the library on speech/language disorders (including deafness, like &lt;i&gt;Train Go Sorry&lt;/i&gt; by Leah Cohen), seizures, and neurology (lots of Oliver Sacks).  This was before there was the internet.

The result is that I don&#039;t read much fiction anymore, and my list of recommended books is very long.  But for some good reading, check out the reviews from Dr. Novella&#039;s other group blog:
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/category/book-review/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should explain that I spent my son&#8217;s first four years trying to find out more about his speech disorder and seizures (he had more later while sick with a now vaccine preventable disease), so I checked out almost every book in the library on speech/language disorders (including deafness, like <i>Train Go Sorry</i> by Leah Cohen), seizures, and neurology (lots of Oliver Sacks).  This was before there was the internet.</p>
<p>The result is that I don&#8217;t read much fiction anymore, and my list of recommended books is very long.  But for some good reading, check out the reviews from Dr. Novella&#8217;s other group blog:<br />
<a href="http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/category/book-review/" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/category/book-review/</a></p>
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		<title>By: ChrisH</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 16:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>joadn1:&lt;blockquote&gt; I’ve just finished reading is “The impossible cure” by Dr. Amy Lansky, PHD (Doctorate in computer science).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Some important information about Dr. Lansky (you at least know she has no medical training):  Her son was never formally diagnosed.

There are many kids with speech and language disorder that are not autism.  That includes my younger son who was actually taken to a speech language pathologist and diagnosed with dysphasia.  After speech therapy from students at the university&#039;s training clinic his vocabulary went from very below his age (three then), to appropriate for a four year old in one year.  He is a normal college student.

For more information on autism, from parents and those with autism see:
http://www.thinkingautismguide.com/

And if you really want to use homeopathy, try saving money and making your own:
http://skepticfamily.com/2010/11/18/make-your-own-homeopathic-remedies-and-play-dough/

:-)

And on a more serious note, here is some additional reading from parents of autistic children, and one with cerebral palsy:

&lt;i&gt;Unstrange Minds&lt;/i&gt; by R.R. Grinker
&lt;i&gt;Not Even Wrong: A Father&#039;s Journey into the Lost History of Autism&lt;/i&gt; by Paul Collins
&lt;i&gt;No Time for Jello&lt;/i&gt; by Berneen Bratt

I have a longer list, because I have spent many many many hours in medical room waiting rooms because my oldest son is disabled.  That includes ten years of speech therapy (he did not recover like his younger brother).  With him it started with neonatal seizures that did not stop until he was given phenobarbital.  I defy you to treat seizures with homeopathy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>joadn1:<br />
<blockquote> I’ve just finished reading is “The impossible cure” by Dr. Amy Lansky, PHD (Doctorate in computer science).</p></blockquote>
<p>Some important information about Dr. Lansky (you at least know she has no medical training):  Her son was never formally diagnosed.</p>
<p>There are many kids with speech and language disorder that are not autism.  That includes my younger son who was actually taken to a speech language pathologist and diagnosed with dysphasia.  After speech therapy from students at the university&#8217;s training clinic his vocabulary went from very below his age (three then), to appropriate for a four year old in one year.  He is a normal college student.</p>
<p>For more information on autism, from parents and those with autism see:<br />
<a href="http://www.thinkingautismguide.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thinkingautismguide.com/</a></p>
<p>And if you really want to use homeopathy, try saving money and making your own:<br />
<a href="http://skepticfamily.com/2010/11/18/make-your-own-homeopathic-remedies-and-play-dough/" rel="nofollow">http://skepticfamily.com/2010/11/18/make-your-own-homeopathic-remedies-and-play-dough/</a></p>
<p> <img src='http://theness.com/neurologicablog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And on a more serious note, here is some additional reading from parents of autistic children, and one with cerebral palsy:</p>
<p><i>Unstrange Minds</i> by R.R. Grinker<br />
<i>Not Even Wrong: A Father&#8217;s Journey into the Lost History of Autism</i> by Paul Collins<br />
<i>No Time for Jello</i> by Berneen Bratt</p>
<p>I have a longer list, because I have spent many many many hours in medical room waiting rooms because my oldest son is disabled.  That includes ten years of speech therapy (he did not recover like his younger brother).  With him it started with neonatal seizures that did not stop until he was given phenobarbital.  I defy you to treat seizures with homeopathy.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Novella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Novella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jo - let me address your points as they are common pro-CAM propaganda points:

1 - It is not just that we cannot prove how homeopathy works. Our current science indicates that homeopathy cannot possibly work, and in fact it does not work. It&#039;s been studied - it doesn&#039;t work. 

2 - Clinical trials involve people who have taken homeopathic products. They count. Anecdotal information from individual patients, however, are not very helpful. They tend to be overwhelmed with bias and illusion. What we can say from such experiences, however, is that there is no &quot;home run&quot; from homeopathy - no big cures, only vague symptom relief easily explainable as placebo. 

3 - The concerned mom gambit - irrelevant to the evidence. 

4 - You assume homeopathy was practiced successfully in the past. There is no good evidence for this - no compelling evidence that homeopathy ever worked for anything.

5 - Homeopathy was not displaced by the pharmaceutical industry. It was displaced by modern science. 

6 - Homeopathy is a multi-billion dollar industry with its own &quot;big pharma&quot; companies like Boiron. They are just not required to study homeopathic products the same way pharmaceuticals are. But - homeopathy has been widely studied, and again - they don&#039;t work. 

7 - Finally, the &quot;open mind&quot; gambit. This is not about having an open mind. It&#039;s about understanding science and how to evaluate evidence properly. The better the quality of the evidence, the more likely it is to show that homeopathy does not work, and the best evidence all shows that it doesn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jo &#8211; let me address your points as they are common pro-CAM propaganda points:</p>
<p>1 &#8211; It is not just that we cannot prove how homeopathy works. Our current science indicates that homeopathy cannot possibly work, and in fact it does not work. It&#8217;s been studied &#8211; it doesn&#8217;t work. </p>
<p>2 &#8211; Clinical trials involve people who have taken homeopathic products. They count. Anecdotal information from individual patients, however, are not very helpful. They tend to be overwhelmed with bias and illusion. What we can say from such experiences, however, is that there is no &#8220;home run&#8221; from homeopathy &#8211; no big cures, only vague symptom relief easily explainable as placebo. </p>
<p>3 &#8211; The concerned mom gambit &#8211; irrelevant to the evidence. </p>
<p>4 &#8211; You assume homeopathy was practiced successfully in the past. There is no good evidence for this &#8211; no compelling evidence that homeopathy ever worked for anything.</p>
<p>5 &#8211; Homeopathy was not displaced by the pharmaceutical industry. It was displaced by modern science. </p>
<p>6 &#8211; Homeopathy is a multi-billion dollar industry with its own &#8220;big pharma&#8221; companies like Boiron. They are just not required to study homeopathic products the same way pharmaceuticals are. But &#8211; homeopathy has been widely studied, and again &#8211; they don&#8217;t work. </p>
<p>7 &#8211; Finally, the &#8220;open mind&#8221; gambit. This is not about having an open mind. It&#8217;s about understanding science and how to evaluate evidence properly. The better the quality of the evidence, the more likely it is to show that homeopathy does not work, and the best evidence all shows that it doesn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: joand1</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 05:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m assuming all of you know alot more about homeopathy and/or science than I do, but I have been reading alot about alternative medicine since my grandson was diagnosed with autism.  Since traditional medicine can&#039;t come up with a reason why it exists or offer any hope for improvement through pharmaceutical drugs, I am opening my mind for other treatments.  Have any of you actually spoken with actual patients who have tried homeopathy?  Just because you can&#039;t &quot;prove&quot; scientifically why something works, doesn&#039;t mean it doesn&#039;t work!  One book I&#039;ve just finished reading is &quot;The impossible cure&quot; by Dr. Amy Lansky, PHD (Doctorate in computer science).  She only became involved in alternative medicine when her son developed autism.  Being a concerned Mom will certainly expand your scientific mind to other options.  Homeopathy was very well known and practiced in the States in the 1800&#039;s, sucessfully.  When pharmaceutical companies began coming up with their &quot;miracle&quot; drugs, it became &quot;easier&quot; to just take an aspirin or whatever for your ailment.  So many of the drugs simply surpress symptons, but don&#039;t eliminate the cause.  and of course, homeopathic remedies cost very little, so who want&#039;s to finance a &quot;study&quot; on these.  trust me, pharmaceutical companies are NOT your friends!  Can you say, &quot;Big Money?&quot;  Whenever I hear anyone speaking negatively about homeopathy, I have to ask them, &quot;Is your opinion based on knowledge or personal experience?&quot;  Have you listened to both sides of the story with an OPEN mind??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m assuming all of you know alot more about homeopathy and/or science than I do, but I have been reading alot about alternative medicine since my grandson was diagnosed with autism.  Since traditional medicine can&#8217;t come up with a reason why it exists or offer any hope for improvement through pharmaceutical drugs, I am opening my mind for other treatments.  Have any of you actually spoken with actual patients who have tried homeopathy?  Just because you can&#8217;t &#8220;prove&#8221; scientifically why something works, doesn&#8217;t mean it doesn&#8217;t work!  One book I&#8217;ve just finished reading is &#8220;The impossible cure&#8221; by Dr. Amy Lansky, PHD (Doctorate in computer science).  She only became involved in alternative medicine when her son developed autism.  Being a concerned Mom will certainly expand your scientific mind to other options.  Homeopathy was very well known and practiced in the States in the 1800&#8242;s, sucessfully.  When pharmaceutical companies began coming up with their &#8220;miracle&#8221; drugs, it became &#8220;easier&#8221; to just take an aspirin or whatever for your ailment.  So many of the drugs simply surpress symptons, but don&#8217;t eliminate the cause.  and of course, homeopathic remedies cost very little, so who want&#8217;s to finance a &#8220;study&#8221; on these.  trust me, pharmaceutical companies are NOT your friends!  Can you say, &#8220;Big Money?&#8221;  Whenever I hear anyone speaking negatively about homeopathy, I have to ask them, &#8220;Is your opinion based on knowledge or personal experience?&#8221;  Have you listened to both sides of the story with an OPEN mind??</p>
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		<title>By: Science-Based Medicine &#187; Chopra and Weil and Roy, oh my! Or: The Wall Street Journal, coopted.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Science-Based Medicine &#187; Chopra and Weil and Roy, oh my! Or: The Wall Street Journal, coopted.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dr. Andrew Weil, and that King of Water Woo, particularly pseudoscientific arguments for homeopathy, Dr. Rustum Roy. Truly, this was an Unholy Trinity of Pseudoscience, and the results were very predictable. In [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Dr. Andrew Weil, and that King of Water Woo, particularly pseudoscientific arguments for homeopathy, Dr. Rustum Roy. Truly, this was an Unholy Trinity of Pseudoscience, and the results were very predictable. In [...]</p>
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		<title>By: NeuroLogica Blog &#187; Reports of the Demise of Materialism Are Premature - Part II</title>
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		<dc:creator>NeuroLogica Blog &#187; Reports of the Demise of Materialism Are Premature - Part II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Reports of the Demise of Materialism Are Premature - Part II  Published by Steven Novella under Skepticism  Comments: 0 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Science-Based Medicine &#187; Fun with homeopaths and meta-analyses of homeopathy trials</title>
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		<dc:creator>Science-Based Medicine &#187; Fun with homeopaths and meta-analyses of homeopathy trials</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 05:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] quantum theory at the macroscopic level for some of the most amazing woo you&#8217;ve ever seen, or Rustum Roy&#8217;s claims for the &#8220;memory of water.&#8221; Indeed, if you want to find out just how [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] quantum theory at the macroscopic level for some of the most amazing woo you&#8217;ve ever seen, or Rustum Roy&#8217;s claims for the &#8220;memory of water.&#8221; Indeed, if you want to find out just how [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Science Based Medicine &#187; The infiltration of complementary and alternative medicine (CAM) and &#8220;integrative medicine&#8221; into academia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Science Based Medicine &#187; The infiltration of complementary and alternative medicine (CAM) and &#8220;integrative medicine&#8221; into academia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of Connecticut Health Center (where a &#8220;debate&#8221; about homeopathy was recently [...]</description>
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		<title>By: m-mischief</title>
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		<dc:creator>m-mischief</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 20:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go Snov! you have to argue against the same irritating fallacious arguments time and time again and yet you still have a full head of hair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go Snov! you have to argue against the same irritating fallacious arguments time and time again and yet you still have a full head of hair.</p>
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		<title>By: pv</title>
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		<dc:creator>pv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 00:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe Roy&#039;s talks should be called the Rustum Roy Religion Show, because homeopathy bears all the hallmarks of a religion. There is a leader, a bible, commandments and rituals, church leaders, followers, an aversion to self reflection, an abhorrence of evidence... dishonesty!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Roy&#8217;s talks should be called the Rustum Roy Religion Show, because homeopathy bears all the hallmarks of a religion. There is a leader, a bible, commandments and rituals, church leaders, followers, an aversion to self reflection, an abhorrence of evidence&#8230; dishonesty!</p>
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