Comments on: Music and Brain Plasticity http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/music-and-brain-plasticity/ Your Daily Fix of Neuroscience, Skepticism, and Critical Thinking Wed, 22 May 2013 17:22:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: mazeedt http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/music-and-brain-plasticity/comment-page-3/#comment-24338 mazeedt Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:20:42 +0000 http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=2144#comment-24338 Actually, looking back I understand where you think that I am saying that, however the emotional colouring that we were talking about was the content/syntax independent emotional colouring in speech that is similar to music, i.e. tone of voice Actually, looking back I understand where you think that I am saying that, however the emotional colouring that we were talking about was the content/syntax independent emotional colouring in speech that is similar to music, i.e. tone of voice

]]> By: mazeedt http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/music-and-brain-plasticity/comment-page-3/#comment-24336 mazeedt Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:06:15 +0000 http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=2144#comment-24336 And I know that you basically concede the point made in the first new response, then again I never disagreed with what you said either... Except possibly your first comment about my comment XD Mostly because I think that it is a pretty strange objection...., to that point though, tone of voice does not carry over to written communication unless you specificly point it out. However, I never said that this means that written speech has no emotional colouring. And I know that you basically concede the point made in the first new response, then again I never disagreed with what you said either…
Except possibly your first comment about my comment XD
Mostly because I think that it is a pretty strange objection…., to that point though, tone of voice does not carry over to written communication unless you specificly point it out. However, I never said that this means that written speech has no emotional colouring.

]]> By: mazeedt http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/music-and-brain-plasticity/comment-page-3/#comment-24334 mazeedt Fri, 30 Jul 2010 09:46:57 +0000 http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=2144#comment-24334 The rest of what you said was a long boring speech of "captain obvious approves this message" No offense intended by the way, just feeling a little grumpy The rest of what you said was a long boring speech of “captain obvious approves this message”
No offense intended by the way, just feeling a little grumpy

]]> By: mazeedt http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/music-and-brain-plasticity/comment-page-3/#comment-24333 mazeedt Fri, 30 Jul 2010 09:36:27 +0000 http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=2144#comment-24333 Besides it was you who commented on my post not the other way around, I did not comment on any points that you were trying to make but on that I thought that you had misinterpreted my comment Besides it was you who commented on my post not the other way around, I did not comment on any points that you were trying to make but on that I thought that you had misinterpreted my comment

]]> By: mazeedt http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/music-and-brain-plasticity/comment-page-3/#comment-24332 mazeedt Fri, 30 Jul 2010 09:32:26 +0000 http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=2144#comment-24332 Fifi I disagree I think that there is a genuine difference in the amount of emotional information that you can accurately convey with written and spoken communication and I think that this is quite obvious. If I had said this sentence to you it would have been immediately obvious to you that I was annoyed (unless you were autistik) because of the way I said it. On the other hand there is no way of unambiguously tell that from the first paragraph Fifi
I disagree I think that there is a genuine difference in the amount of emotional information that you can accurately convey with written and spoken communication and I think that this is quite obvious. If I had said this sentence to you it would have been immediately obvious to you that I was annoyed (unless you were autistik) because of the way I said it. On the other hand there is no way of unambiguously tell that from the first paragraph

]]> By: BillyJoe7 http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/music-and-brain-plasticity/comment-page-3/#comment-24276 BillyJoe7 Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:08:30 +0000 http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=2144#comment-24276 "Because, BillyJoe7, the interaction will not just be with me, but with a moderator that actually did biology and actually does philosophy, and actually will get involved with the discussion, and actually show you, if you’re wrong, where you are wrong. " That will certainly be a change. “Because, BillyJoe7, the interaction will not just be with me, but with a moderator that actually did biology and actually does philosophy, and actually will get involved with the discussion, and actually show you, if you’re wrong, where you are wrong. ”

That will certainly be a change.

]]> By: BillyJoe7 http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/music-and-brain-plasticity/comment-page-3/#comment-24275 BillyJoe7 Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:06:41 +0000 http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=2144#comment-24275 If you give me a link, and promise to let the others speak without interference from you, I might check it out. If you give me a link, and promise to let the others speak without interference from you, I might check it out.

]]> By: bindle http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/music-and-brain-plasticity/comment-page-3/#comment-24243 bindle Wed, 28 Jul 2010 23:48:43 +0000 http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=2144#comment-24243 Fifi, Diana Deutsch has an article, Speaking in Tones, about how music and language are partners in the brain, in the new issue of Scientific American Mind that you should find interesting. It's also found here: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=speaking-in-tones-jul10 Fifi, Diana Deutsch has an article, Speaking in Tones, about how music and language are partners in the brain, in the new issue of Scientific American Mind that you should find interesting.
It’s also found here:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=speaking-in-tones-jul10

]]> By: Fifi http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/music-and-brain-plasticity/comment-page-2/#comment-24237 Fifi Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:56:10 +0000 http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=2144#comment-24237 That said, I'm in no way denigrating or minimizing the power of sound to evoke and express emotion. I'm just pointing out that the idea that the written word is neutral and doesn't or can't convey tone is erroneous. (Both music and words, together and apart, are powerful tools used for propagandistic purposes.) It's not all projection, novels and poetry are fine examples of how words and how they're structured (and their history/context) carry emotional weight. That said, I’m in no way denigrating or minimizing the power of sound to evoke and express emotion. I’m just pointing out that the idea that the written word is neutral and doesn’t or can’t convey tone is erroneous. (Both music and words, together and apart, are powerful tools used for propagandistic purposes.) It’s not all projection, novels and poetry are fine examples of how words and how they’re structured (and their history/context) carry emotional weight.

]]> By: Fifi http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/music-and-brain-plasticity/comment-page-2/#comment-24235 Fifi Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:51:00 +0000 http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=2144#comment-24235 mazeedt - While that's true, I think you may also misunderstand my point. People project emotional content onto others all the time when listening (or not listening, which is probably more accurate) as well as when it's written. We all interpret what others say according to our own frames of reference. It's often just more obvious in written communication (just as it's often more obvious that one has incorrectly remembered or understood something if it's written down because one can refer back to the original instead of one's already biased memory). My point was we project/contribute much of the emotional content of what others say as well as what they write because communication involves reception as well as broadcasting - it's not a one way street, even at it's most didactic level the reader's context will influence their understanding. Communication is a two way street and language is very context specific - that includes the context of the listener. People often get it wrong when someone is speaking too, listening is not a neutral act and it generally takes a lot of practice to be able to listen in a truly receptive way (and to detach from and avoid projecting onto others...or to be aware of our projections more accurately...therapists learn how to do this if they're trained properly so they can see transference and countertransference). mazeedt – While that’s true, I think you may also misunderstand my point. People project emotional content onto others all the time when listening (or not listening, which is probably more accurate) as well as when it’s written. We all interpret what others say according to our own frames of reference. It’s often just more obvious in written communication (just as it’s often more obvious that one has incorrectly remembered or understood something if it’s written down because one can refer back to the original instead of one’s already biased memory). My point was we project/contribute much of the emotional content of what others say as well as what they write because communication involves reception as well as broadcasting – it’s not a one way street, even at it’s most didactic level the reader’s context will influence their understanding. Communication is a two way street and language is very context specific – that includes the context of the listener. People often get it wrong when someone is speaking too, listening is not a neutral act and it generally takes a lot of practice to be able to listen in a truly receptive way (and to detach from and avoid projecting onto others…or to be aware of our projections more accurately…therapists learn how to do this if they’re trained properly so they can see transference and countertransference).

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