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	<title>Comments on: Microdynamos and the Piezoelectric Effect</title>
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		<title>By: daedalus2u</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/microdynamos-and-the-piezoelectric-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-10869</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 03:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A slight quibble regarding bone and strain effects.  Yes, bone and virtually all solid materials are piezoelectric.  All that is necessary for a material to be piezoelectric is for there to be charges in it, and for those charges to be separated by a distance that changes when the material is strained.  Virtually all materials exhibit these properties and produce piezoelectric effects.  

All piezoelectric materials produce electric fields when subjected to strain, they also all produce strain when subjected to electric fields.  This is how ultrasonic transducers produce the ultrasonic vibrations, they are piezoelectric materials, and when excited at ultrasonic frequencies produce acoustic vibrations at the same frequency.

The major bone stiffness regulating mechanism is known to be NO generated via shear in fluid in bone porosity due to strain of bone.  This NO activates the cells that cause deposition of bone mineral and inhibit the cells that cause resorption of bone mineral.  

Aqueous biological fluids are pretty conductive.  Lipids are virtually non-conductive.  For conduction you need mobile charge carriers.  In metal those charge carriers are electrons, in aqueous systems the carriers are hydrated ions (which are many orders of magnitude less mobile).  The effects of electric fields can be mediated through the field (electrostatics) or via charge and charge carrier reactions (electrolytic effects).  It is difficult to have electric field effects in conductive materials.  

I suspect that the effect of electrical stimulation of bones is not mediated through electrical effects per se, but rather through electric field induced strain which activates NO via shear and so upregulates the normal NO mediated regulation of bone healing.  

Another common example of piezoelectric effects that everyone is familiar with is the quartz clock.  A piezoelectric quartz crystal is cut such that it has a mechanical resonance at a certain frequency that mechanical resonance interacts with its piezoelectric properties to cause a resonant electrical frequency, such that the quartz crystal generates a constant frequency when used as a component tin an oscillating circuit.  That precise frequency is used as the basis of timing circuits.  

There are ways of extracting energy from motion that actually increase efficiency.  Biological tissues that covert chemical energy into mechanical energy are not effective at doing the reverse, converting mechanical energy into chemical energy.  In some cyclical movements, there are instances where kinetic energy has to be dissipated by using mechanical energy generated by muscle.  If that kinetic energy could be regenerated into electricity, then the body wouldn&#039;t need to exert muscle power to do it, and muscle exertion would be reduced while generating positive power.  It isn&#039;t a first or second law violation, it is simply using a different mechanism for generating force used at the right time to reduce muscle work requirements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A slight quibble regarding bone and strain effects.  Yes, bone and virtually all solid materials are piezoelectric.  All that is necessary for a material to be piezoelectric is for there to be charges in it, and for those charges to be separated by a distance that changes when the material is strained.  Virtually all materials exhibit these properties and produce piezoelectric effects.  </p>
<p>All piezoelectric materials produce electric fields when subjected to strain, they also all produce strain when subjected to electric fields.  This is how ultrasonic transducers produce the ultrasonic vibrations, they are piezoelectric materials, and when excited at ultrasonic frequencies produce acoustic vibrations at the same frequency.</p>
<p>The major bone stiffness regulating mechanism is known to be NO generated via shear in fluid in bone porosity due to strain of bone.  This NO activates the cells that cause deposition of bone mineral and inhibit the cells that cause resorption of bone mineral.  </p>
<p>Aqueous biological fluids are pretty conductive.  Lipids are virtually non-conductive.  For conduction you need mobile charge carriers.  In metal those charge carriers are electrons, in aqueous systems the carriers are hydrated ions (which are many orders of magnitude less mobile).  The effects of electric fields can be mediated through the field (electrostatics) or via charge and charge carrier reactions (electrolytic effects).  It is difficult to have electric field effects in conductive materials.  </p>
<p>I suspect that the effect of electrical stimulation of bones is not mediated through electrical effects per se, but rather through electric field induced strain which activates NO via shear and so upregulates the normal NO mediated regulation of bone healing.  </p>
<p>Another common example of piezoelectric effects that everyone is familiar with is the quartz clock.  A piezoelectric quartz crystal is cut such that it has a mechanical resonance at a certain frequency that mechanical resonance interacts with its piezoelectric properties to cause a resonant electrical frequency, such that the quartz crystal generates a constant frequency when used as a component tin an oscillating circuit.  That precise frequency is used as the basis of timing circuits.  </p>
<p>There are ways of extracting energy from motion that actually increase efficiency.  Biological tissues that covert chemical energy into mechanical energy are not effective at doing the reverse, converting mechanical energy into chemical energy.  In some cyclical movements, there are instances where kinetic energy has to be dissipated by using mechanical energy generated by muscle.  If that kinetic energy could be regenerated into electricity, then the body wouldn&#8217;t need to exert muscle power to do it, and muscle exertion would be reduced while generating positive power.  It isn&#8217;t a first or second law violation, it is simply using a different mechanism for generating force used at the right time to reduce muscle work requirements.</p>
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		<title>By: Magnus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Magnus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@medmonkey

Lcd t-shirts are probably the most high tech clothing I&#039;ve seen to date. I can imagine that piezoelectronic equipment could be very useful in powering the batteries.</description>
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<p>Lcd t-shirts are probably the most high tech clothing I&#8217;ve seen to date. I can imagine that piezoelectronic equipment could be very useful in powering the batteries.</p>
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		<title>By: medmonkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>medmonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In one of my engineering courses we were analysing the stresses on a femur bone.  It was really interesting to see how bones density correlates exactly with the stress lines - increased density along the lines with gradual decreasing density between them.  

Magnus - 
My thought was that the first commercial uses would be for entertainment purposes.  Perhaps piezoelectrics will energize lights on clothing, or something of that nature.  I recall that apple already has an electronic pedometer that inserts into special Nike running shoes and sends data to your ipod.  So one application of electronic clothing could be to provide status updates about body conditions: heat generation, sweat, what-have-you.  At first this will be novel and expensive, of course, but overtime should become cheap and commonplace.  

I tend to think that if something can be done, somebody will do it ... if it proves practical or popular is another story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In one of my engineering courses we were analysing the stresses on a femur bone.  It was really interesting to see how bones density correlates exactly with the stress lines &#8211; increased density along the lines with gradual decreasing density between them.  </p>
<p>Magnus &#8211;<br />
My thought was that the first commercial uses would be for entertainment purposes.  Perhaps piezoelectrics will energize lights on clothing, or something of that nature.  I recall that apple already has an electronic pedometer that inserts into special Nike running shoes and sends data to your ipod.  So one application of electronic clothing could be to provide status updates about body conditions: heat generation, sweat, what-have-you.  At first this will be novel and expensive, of course, but overtime should become cheap and commonplace.  </p>
<p>I tend to think that if something can be done, somebody will do it &#8230; if it proves practical or popular is another story.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Novella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Novella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 21:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>quickly - bone itself is a piezoelectric material. Pressure on the bone causes a current which induces the bone cells to break down in advance of the pressure and to form in the wake of the pressure. So the bone remodels itself around the tooth, and the tooth is literally slowly moved through the bone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>quickly &#8211; bone itself is a piezoelectric material. Pressure on the bone causes a current which induces the bone cells to break down in advance of the pressure and to form in the wake of the pressure. So the bone remodels itself around the tooth, and the tooth is literally slowly moved through the bone.</p>
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		<title>By: kmhayward</title>
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		<dc:creator>kmhayward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a cardiac physiologist and a recipient of a pacemaker, any technology that prolongs the life of pacemakers is very welcome. However many pacemakers already utilize piezoelectric technology. Piezoelectric crystals change conformation in response to the constant expansion and contraction of the chest and diaphragm during breathing. Increases or decreases in voltage resulting from these changes in conformation are utilized by rate responsive algorithms within the pacemaker to incense or decrease heart rate as a response to increased or decreased overall activity. 
It is only a small step to harnessing the voltage resulting from this activity to recharge a battery, even if it only increases battery life by a few years. This would certainly mean less operations for many pacemaker patients. From a personal point of view, i am looking at at least 5 box change procedures in my lifetime (given that i live til 80 and don&#039;t get hit by a bus tomorrow). Reducing that number by even one procedure would be worth it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a cardiac physiologist and a recipient of a pacemaker, any technology that prolongs the life of pacemakers is very welcome. However many pacemakers already utilize piezoelectric technology. Piezoelectric crystals change conformation in response to the constant expansion and contraction of the chest and diaphragm during breathing. Increases or decreases in voltage resulting from these changes in conformation are utilized by rate responsive algorithms within the pacemaker to incense or decrease heart rate as a response to increased or decreased overall activity.<br />
It is only a small step to harnessing the voltage resulting from this activity to recharge a battery, even if it only increases battery life by a few years. This would certainly mean less operations for many pacemaker patients. From a personal point of view, i am looking at at least 5 box change procedures in my lifetime (given that i live til 80 and don&#8217;t get hit by a bus tomorrow). Reducing that number by even one procedure would be worth it.</p>
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		<title>By: HHC</title>
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		<dc:creator>HHC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JonoB, Having worn braces, maybe I can answer this simply.  Braces encircle each tooth, which is a hard, bony enamel in the jaw. The brace and connective parts can be metal or hard plastic.  Mechanical pressure is exerted by the brace on each bony structure to move the tooth to a corrected position to allow for better mastication. Braces are tightened periodically to put additional pressure on each tooth.  Sudden mechanical release of pressure can stress a tooth causing breakage/ damage to the tooth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JonoB, Having worn braces, maybe I can answer this simply.  Braces encircle each tooth, which is a hard, bony enamel in the jaw. The brace and connective parts can be metal or hard plastic.  Mechanical pressure is exerted by the brace on each bony structure to move the tooth to a corrected position to allow for better mastication. Braces are tightened periodically to put additional pressure on each tooth.  Sudden mechanical release of pressure can stress a tooth causing breakage/ damage to the tooth.</p>
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		<title>By: JonoB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JonoB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can anyone explain, or provide a source, that goes into a little more depth regarding the Piezoelectric effect and the manipulation of teeth by braces? I&#039;m interested and want to delve into it further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can anyone explain, or provide a source, that goes into a little more depth regarding the Piezoelectric effect and the manipulation of teeth by braces? I&#8217;m interested and want to delve into it further.</p>
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		<title>By: Puppet_Master</title>
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		<dc:creator>Puppet_Master</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m always curious about the impact of such energy converting devices.  For example, robbing the kinetic energy of rain into electrical energy will stop the transfer of energy into the molecular motion of the ground where the water would have hit; thus, decreasing the temperature of the ground.  I know this is probably not an issue, but it&#039;s good to think about the ramifications of such devices.

Or if, as you suggested, install one of these devices in the human body to capture energy from a rotating heart, will it put too much strain on the heart and with ~7% efficiency it seems hardly worth it.

I guess you could apply this argument to any or all modern energy devices, but considering the increased probability of anthropogenic global warming, it&#039;s important we seriously investigate these arguments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m always curious about the impact of such energy converting devices.  For example, robbing the kinetic energy of rain into electrical energy will stop the transfer of energy into the molecular motion of the ground where the water would have hit; thus, decreasing the temperature of the ground.  I know this is probably not an issue, but it&#8217;s good to think about the ramifications of such devices.</p>
<p>Or if, as you suggested, install one of these devices in the human body to capture energy from a rotating heart, will it put too much strain on the heart and with ~7% efficiency it seems hardly worth it.</p>
<p>I guess you could apply this argument to any or all modern energy devices, but considering the increased probability of anthropogenic global warming, it&#8217;s important we seriously investigate these arguments.</p>
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		<title>By: Magnus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Magnus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@medmonkey
Why would you put the electrical equipment directly into your clothing? To me this seems like a waste. You would be forced to either own several pieces of clothing with the same equipment or to use one in particular every time you needed its function. Wouldn&#039;t it be simpler to have it attached to you as a small clip (or in a utility belt)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@medmonkey<br />
Why would you put the electrical equipment directly into your clothing? To me this seems like a waste. You would be forced to either own several pieces of clothing with the same equipment or to use one in particular every time you needed its function. Wouldn&#8217;t it be simpler to have it attached to you as a small clip (or in a utility belt)?</p>
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		<title>By: HHC</title>
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		<dc:creator>HHC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The piezoelectrical effect would be beneficial for wheelchair bound patients receiving physical therapy as strength training to walk.  I can envision an implant in the sacrum region which could assist the patient with mechanical movement.  The patient&#039;s goal to walk again might be achieved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The piezoelectrical effect would be beneficial for wheelchair bound patients receiving physical therapy as strength training to walk.  I can envision an implant in the sacrum region which could assist the patient with mechanical movement.  The patient&#8217;s goal to walk again might be achieved.</p>
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