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	<title>Comments on: Michael Savage, Britney Spears, and other Autism News</title>
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		<title>By: NeuroLogica Blog &#187; The Nature of Neurological Diagnosis</title>
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		<dc:creator>NeuroLogica Blog &#187; The Nature of Neurological Diagnosis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] week Michael Savage questioned the legitimacy of most diagnoses of autism because they are based only on symptoms - not [...]</description>
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		<title>By: TheProbe</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheProbe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Savage was also bleating and braying about people who use handicapped placards for parking. He seems to think that everyone who does should be an amputee, use a wheelchair, or something that is obvious. What he does not realize is that placards are issued to those who have mobility limited by exertional conditions, e.g. COPD, ASHD, PAD, etc. 

He is truly ignorant, and I bet he parks in the blue spaces so the &quot;falers&quot; cannot use them. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Savage was also bleating and braying about people who use handicapped placards for parking. He seems to think that everyone who does should be an amputee, use a wheelchair, or something that is obvious. What he does not realize is that placards are issued to those who have mobility limited by exertional conditions, e.g. COPD, ASHD, PAD, etc. </p>
<p>He is truly ignorant, and I bet he parks in the blue spaces so the &#8220;falers&#8221; cannot use them. <img src='http://theness.com/neurologicablog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Steven Novella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Novella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Savage&#039;s lame defense: http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/mp3/savage.mp3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Savage&#8217;s lame defense: <a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/mp3/savage.mp3" rel="nofollow">http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/mp3/savage.mp3</a></p>
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		<title>By: NeuroLogica Blog &#187; Autism and Vaccines: Responding to Poling and Kirby</title>
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		<dc:creator>NeuroLogica Blog &#187; Autism and Vaccines: Responding to Poling and Kirby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] primary focus of my original post (which I further developed yesterday) was that the media is focusing too much attention on what celebrities and politicians are saying [...]</description>
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		<title>By: thethyme</title>
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		<dc:creator>thethyme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenny Mccarthy is also promoting Generation Rescue on World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE) She is due to appear on Saturday Nights Main  Event in August. If you check out wwe.com you will find a link to generation rescue website with the tag autism is reversible on the main page.

WWE holds 3-4 arena shows a week all over the country as well as 5 hours of TV programming each week in which they are currently promoting generation rescue and McCarthy, this is a way for her to reach a huge audience and spread this misinformation.</description>
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<p>WWE holds 3-4 arena shows a week all over the country as well as 5 hours of TV programming each week in which they are currently promoting generation rescue and McCarthy, this is a way for her to reach a huge audience and spread this misinformation.</p>
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		<title>By: kristina</title>
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		<dc:creator>kristina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 06:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just a mom here --- if mccarthy is &quot;rattling cages,&quot; I&#039;ll hazard it&#039;s because she&#039;s caught in a figurative one of misinformation and pseudoscience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just a mom here &#8212; if mccarthy is &#8220;rattling cages,&#8221; I&#8217;ll hazard it&#8217;s because she&#8217;s caught in a figurative one of misinformation and pseudoscience.</p>
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		<title>By: waltdakind</title>
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		<dc:creator>waltdakind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 04:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My local paper just had an article about parents being cautious of vaccines because of autism fears. The article itself doesn&#039;t handle the issue very well, it seems to give just as much weight to parents&#039; fears as an attempt to not offend the anti-vaccine people.

There are comments from me in response, some of which are good -- there&#039;s also some real nutball comments from others.

Here&#039;s the article: 

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/07/rise_in_number_of_children_dia.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My local paper just had an article about parents being cautious of vaccines because of autism fears. The article itself doesn&#8217;t handle the issue very well, it seems to give just as much weight to parents&#8217; fears as an attempt to not offend the anti-vaccine people.</p>
<p>There are comments from me in response, some of which are good &#8212; there&#8217;s also some real nutball comments from others.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the article: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/07/rise_in_number_of_children_dia.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/07/rise_in_number_of_children_dia.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: tooth fairy</title>
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		<dc:creator>tooth fairy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>woot woot a comment left before devils *chuckle* come on devils i have nothing of significance to add here, i&#039;m waiting on something from you!-take this as a compliment i always look forward to your comments.

This seems like we&#039;re just drumming the same beat i don&#039;t know how many times i hear 

&quot;that there is no real autism epidemic. This is probably true, the evidence strongly suggests that the increase in autism diagnosis is due to expanding the diagnosis and increased surveillance efforts - not a true epidemic. But this does not mean that autism is not real.&quot;

this seems to me like as Dr.Novella you said on the podcast last week with science based med, this argument needs to also re-group and take a new approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>woot woot a comment left before devils *chuckle* come on devils i have nothing of significance to add here, i&#8217;m waiting on something from you!-take this as a compliment i always look forward to your comments.</p>
<p>This seems like we&#8217;re just drumming the same beat i don&#8217;t know how many times i hear </p>
<p>&#8220;that there is no real autism epidemic. This is probably true, the evidence strongly suggests that the increase in autism diagnosis is due to expanding the diagnosis and increased surveillance efforts &#8211; not a true epidemic. But this does not mean that autism is not real.&#8221;</p>
<p>this seems to me like as Dr.Novella you said on the podcast last week with science based med, this argument needs to also re-group and take a new approach.</p>
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		<title>By: b_calder</title>
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		<dc:creator>b_calder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wikipedia has a list of Savage&#039;s books:
# Secrets of Fijian Medicine, Quantum Books, 1983, ISBN 0912845023
# Vital Signs, San Diego: Avant Books, 1983, ISBN 0932238203
# Getting Off Cocaine, Avon Books, February, 1984, ISBN 0380679000
# Dr. Weiner&#039;s High Fiber Counter, Pinnacle Books, May, 1984, ISBN 0523422113
# Maximum Immunity, Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1986, ISBN 0395379105
# Reducing the Risk of Alzheimer&#039;s, New York: Stein and Day, 1987, re-published under the name Michael Savage, Ph.D., in 2007, ISBN 0946551537
# The Complete Book of Homeopathy, Garden City Park, N.Y.: Avery Pub., 1989, ISBN 0895294125
# The Herbal Bible, San Rafael, CA: Quantum Books, 1992, ISBN 0912845066
# Healing Children Naturally, San Rafael, CA: Quantum Books, 1993, re-published under the name Michael Savage, Ph.D., in 2007, ISBN 0912845104
# Herbs That Heal: Prescription for Herbal Healing, Mill Valley, CA: Quantum Books, 1994, ISBN 0912845112
# The Antioxidant Cookbook, Mill Valley, CA: Quantum Books, 1995, ISBN 0912845139

Who says he isn&#039;t qualified? Huge ROFLs @ teh conservative talk radio listeners. 
If half of the books are cited correctly, it is hugely funny and sad at the same time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wikipedia has a list of Savage&#8217;s books:<br />
# Secrets of Fijian Medicine, Quantum Books, 1983, ISBN 0912845023<br />
# Vital Signs, San Diego: Avant Books, 1983, ISBN 0932238203<br />
# Getting Off Cocaine, Avon Books, February, 1984, ISBN 0380679000<br />
# Dr. Weiner&#8217;s High Fiber Counter, Pinnacle Books, May, 1984, ISBN 0523422113<br />
# Maximum Immunity, Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1986, ISBN 0395379105<br />
# Reducing the Risk of Alzheimer&#8217;s, New York: Stein and Day, 1987, re-published under the name Michael Savage, Ph.D., in 2007, ISBN 0946551537<br />
# The Complete Book of Homeopathy, Garden City Park, N.Y.: Avery Pub., 1989, ISBN 0895294125<br />
# The Herbal Bible, San Rafael, CA: Quantum Books, 1992, ISBN 0912845066<br />
# Healing Children Naturally, San Rafael, CA: Quantum Books, 1993, re-published under the name Michael Savage, Ph.D., in 2007, ISBN 0912845104<br />
# Herbs That Heal: Prescription for Herbal Healing, Mill Valley, CA: Quantum Books, 1994, ISBN 0912845112<br />
# The Antioxidant Cookbook, Mill Valley, CA: Quantum Books, 1995, ISBN 0912845139</p>
<p>Who says he isn&#8217;t qualified? Huge ROFLs @ teh conservative talk radio listeners.<br />
If half of the books are cited correctly, it is hugely funny and sad at the same time.</p>
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		<title>By: Niels Kjaer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niels Kjaer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I looked at the Savage page and I laughed and I laughed and I laughed and I laughed. 

What that absurd joke means to an adult Aspie is: &quot;It&#039;s not the Aspie child who creates problems but the absurd environment.&quot; It is an mirror-image upside-down joke. 

Aspies do recognize Aspie humor faster than lightning!  Very few Aspies would ever get upset by this kind of absurd humor.
How can non-physical absurdities hurt? Either you get it or you don&#039;t get it. Take a deep breath. Imagine Savage is really an Aspie himself, and reread the page.  The &quot;Know what I mean Notch Notch&quot; scetch by Monty Python examplifies another mirror image joke about joking.


This is simply how many adult Aspies think laugh and barely survive in the US... If they succeed they get ignored by the NeuroTypics and applauded by other Aspies. The doctor who diagnosed my as an Aspie wrote: &quot;Niels has a very well developed and deep sense of humor.&quot; &quot;Well, as one Aspie joked to another: I always look smarter when I see my self in a mirror&quot;. Neuraltypics would typically substitute &quot;smarter&quot; with &quot;prettier&quot; or &quot;more handsome&quot;. Smart has a double meaning and is therefore considered more deep by Aspies.  
The real smart Aspies move to places like Silicon Valley, where blogs like this are quite different in scope and tone. 

I should apologize not as an Aspie to a NeuroTypic community but as a human being who is part of a human community. Is it not about time that we humans take ourselves seriously? Why is it that Aspies in the US seem only to be mostly problem, while in Denmark Aspies are treated as specialists? Please use our brains fellow humans! And then we could enjoy a good laugh together!

I would never dream of advocating a scientific conclusion. I don&#039;t tell people what to do or think. I simply show my data, my analysis, my results, and my cross-validation. Anything beyond that I call politics and woo. 

If you don&#039;t follow my reasoning, it is also fine with me, I&#039;ll just disappear like a Cheshire cat. To me it seems that the US is still suffering from a rather mixed past. Many humans around the world simply don&#039;t understand your attitude to your original declaration of independence from 1776: &quot;We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.&quot; To an Aspie that is an ultimate load of political woo completely void of any ethical consideration. The declaration was made as an  effective political statement during a time of war. It worked fine at the time dealing with weak brits, but don&#039;t teach this woo to autistic children. They will see a bad pattern immediately. In Denmark we laugh at our own outdated constitution, but realize that it doesn&#039;t really matter what it says, as it only reflects our past, and not the present or future.  

If you don&#039;t start pulling your self up from the woo, I might use this excersize to consider US a greater threat than I thought to the future of humanity due to its large military power, nuclear arsenal and obvious problems with lacking communication and self-validation. Don&#039;t worry, I don&#039;t use any old fashioned push technologies, only pull technologies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I looked at the Savage page and I laughed and I laughed and I laughed and I laughed. </p>
<p>What that absurd joke means to an adult Aspie is: &#8220;It&#8217;s not the Aspie child who creates problems but the absurd environment.&#8221; It is an mirror-image upside-down joke. </p>
<p>Aspies do recognize Aspie humor faster than lightning!  Very few Aspies would ever get upset by this kind of absurd humor.<br />
How can non-physical absurdities hurt? Either you get it or you don&#8217;t get it. Take a deep breath. Imagine Savage is really an Aspie himself, and reread the page.  The &#8220;Know what I mean Notch Notch&#8221; scetch by Monty Python examplifies another mirror image joke about joking.</p>
<p>This is simply how many adult Aspies think laugh and barely survive in the US&#8230; If they succeed they get ignored by the NeuroTypics and applauded by other Aspies. The doctor who diagnosed my as an Aspie wrote: &#8220;Niels has a very well developed and deep sense of humor.&#8221; &#8220;Well, as one Aspie joked to another: I always look smarter when I see my self in a mirror&#8221;. Neuraltypics would typically substitute &#8220;smarter&#8221; with &#8220;prettier&#8221; or &#8220;more handsome&#8221;. Smart has a double meaning and is therefore considered more deep by Aspies.<br />
The real smart Aspies move to places like Silicon Valley, where blogs like this are quite different in scope and tone. </p>
<p>I should apologize not as an Aspie to a NeuroTypic community but as a human being who is part of a human community. Is it not about time that we humans take ourselves seriously? Why is it that Aspies in the US seem only to be mostly problem, while in Denmark Aspies are treated as specialists? Please use our brains fellow humans! And then we could enjoy a good laugh together!</p>
<p>I would never dream of advocating a scientific conclusion. I don&#8217;t tell people what to do or think. I simply show my data, my analysis, my results, and my cross-validation. Anything beyond that I call politics and woo. </p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t follow my reasoning, it is also fine with me, I&#8217;ll just disappear like a Cheshire cat. To me it seems that the US is still suffering from a rather mixed past. Many humans around the world simply don&#8217;t understand your attitude to your original declaration of independence from 1776: &#8220;We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.&#8221; To an Aspie that is an ultimate load of political woo completely void of any ethical consideration. The declaration was made as an  effective political statement during a time of war. It worked fine at the time dealing with weak brits, but don&#8217;t teach this woo to autistic children. They will see a bad pattern immediately. In Denmark we laugh at our own outdated constitution, but realize that it doesn&#8217;t really matter what it says, as it only reflects our past, and not the present or future.  </p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t start pulling your self up from the woo, I might use this excersize to consider US a greater threat than I thought to the future of humanity due to its large military power, nuclear arsenal and obvious problems with lacking communication and self-validation. Don&#8217;t worry, I don&#8217;t use any old fashioned push technologies, only pull technologies.</p>
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