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	<title>Comments on: Mental Illness Denial &#8211; Part I</title>
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		<title>By: Dirk Steele</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/mental-illness-denial-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-41838</link>
		<dc:creator>Dirk Steele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2012 23:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Breivik trial commenced today. He, after a lengthy detailed study by experts, has been deemed a paranoid schizophrenic and also totally sane. Psychiatry does not have a clue who is &#039;mad&#039; or not. Obviously in your view, Dr Novella, those with the latter view are mental illness &#039;deniers&#039;. Psychiatry is a pseudoscience. Period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Breivik trial commenced today. He, after a lengthy detailed study by experts, has been deemed a paranoid schizophrenic and also totally sane. Psychiatry does not have a clue who is &#8216;mad&#8217; or not. Obviously in your view, Dr Novella, those with the latter view are mental illness &#8216;deniers&#8217;. Psychiatry is a pseudoscience. Period.</p>
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		<title>By: Dirk Steele</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/mental-illness-denial-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-41083</link>
		<dc:creator>Dirk Steele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 16:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quick question. What is the difference between a neurological disease - such as a stroke, brain tumour or even neurosyphilis and a psychiatric disorder such as ADHD, or DID, otherwise known as multiple personality disorder?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick question. What is the difference between a neurological disease &#8211; such as a stroke, brain tumour or even neurosyphilis and a psychiatric disorder such as ADHD, or DID, otherwise known as multiple personality disorder?</p>
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		<title>By: Dirk Steele</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/mental-illness-denial-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-41077</link>
		<dc:creator>Dirk Steele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 14:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been reading the works of Thomas Szasz for many years and I feel you do not quite understand the position that he takes. Firstly Szasz accepts that there are brain diseases and that these can result in &#039;mental&#039; abnormalities. Neurosyphilis and Alzheimer&#039;s disease are examples that have a clear pathology. Szasz states that the term &#039;mental disease&#039; is actually a metaphor. It has no scientific validity. The mind is not a physical object, unlike the brain, and so cannot be examined by x-rays, blood tests, fMRI scans etc.  George Lakoff has explained that the language we use to describe the mind is metaphorical and that we describe it as a thing. So for example we can &#039;lose&#039; our minds or that we can &#039;hold&#039; ideas in our mind. The metaphors that we use to describe our mind can therefore obscure the scientific reality. 

Therefore Szasz&#039;s position is that there can only be brain diseases (if we accept the definition of a disease). If for example a mental disorder is shown to be caused by a measurable physical abnormality then, like neurosyphilis, it will be removed from the sphere of psychiatry to be treated by neurology. 

In this part 1, I think that Szasz would generally agree with you up until your &#039;sound&#039; conclusion which to me appears as a jump of faith. i.e 

&#039;if part of the brain allows us to pay attention, in some people that part of the brain must function poorly causing a deficit of attention.&#039;

Of course we know that those who suffer from a measurable brain disease will experience a deficit in their ability to pay attention. But for those, for example, who suffer from ADHD, how do we know the lack of attention is caused by brain abnormality as opposed to simple lack of interest. I know from my personal experience that I found it difficult to pay attention to those things that I had no interest in. Many years ago when I was at school there were many lessons which I found to be so boring that I could not listen to. I would look out the window and daydream and ignore the Religious Instruction teacher, much to his dismay and anger. I think today because of cultural changes, and not medical advances, I would be diagnosed as having ADHD, or even ODD. My ex-wife would certainly concur that I suffer from adult ADHD!. 

Let me also state that I am not a scientologist nor am I anti-psychiatry nor am I a &#039;denier&#039;! I have an interest in the subject and I argue my position not through antagonism, but from a desire to find out more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been reading the works of Thomas Szasz for many years and I feel you do not quite understand the position that he takes. Firstly Szasz accepts that there are brain diseases and that these can result in &#8216;mental&#8217; abnormalities. Neurosyphilis and Alzheimer&#8217;s disease are examples that have a clear pathology. Szasz states that the term &#8216;mental disease&#8217; is actually a metaphor. It has no scientific validity. The mind is not a physical object, unlike the brain, and so cannot be examined by x-rays, blood tests, fMRI scans etc.  George Lakoff has explained that the language we use to describe the mind is metaphorical and that we describe it as a thing. So for example we can &#8216;lose&#8217; our minds or that we can &#8216;hold&#8217; ideas in our mind. The metaphors that we use to describe our mind can therefore obscure the scientific reality. </p>
<p>Therefore Szasz&#8217;s position is that there can only be brain diseases (if we accept the definition of a disease). If for example a mental disorder is shown to be caused by a measurable physical abnormality then, like neurosyphilis, it will be removed from the sphere of psychiatry to be treated by neurology. </p>
<p>In this part 1, I think that Szasz would generally agree with you up until your &#8216;sound&#8217; conclusion which to me appears as a jump of faith. i.e </p>
<p>&#8216;if part of the brain allows us to pay attention, in some people that part of the brain must function poorly causing a deficit of attention.&#8217;</p>
<p>Of course we know that those who suffer from a measurable brain disease will experience a deficit in their ability to pay attention. But for those, for example, who suffer from ADHD, how do we know the lack of attention is caused by brain abnormality as opposed to simple lack of interest. I know from my personal experience that I found it difficult to pay attention to those things that I had no interest in. Many years ago when I was at school there were many lessons which I found to be so boring that I could not listen to. I would look out the window and daydream and ignore the Religious Instruction teacher, much to his dismay and anger. I think today because of cultural changes, and not medical advances, I would be diagnosed as having ADHD, or even ODD. My ex-wife would certainly concur that I suffer from adult ADHD!. </p>
<p>Let me also state that I am not a scientologist nor am I anti-psychiatry nor am I a &#8216;denier&#8217;! I have an interest in the subject and I argue my position not through antagonism, but from a desire to find out more.</p>
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		<title>By: NeuroLogica Blog &#187; ADHD Revisited</title>
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		<dc:creator>NeuroLogica Blog &#187; ADHD Revisited</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] those who are interested in this topic I recommend reading my five-part blog series on this topic beginning here. But I would also like to address some of the specific points [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] those who are interested in this topic I recommend reading my five-part blog series on this topic beginning here. But I would also like to address some of the specific points [...]</p>
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		<title>By: studio34</title>
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		<dc:creator>studio34</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 23:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Steve - do you know what happened to the original recording of your debate? It no longer appears in the Infidel Guy&#039;s feed nor does the link you provide lead to it.

Many thanks ... S</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steve &#8211; do you know what happened to the original recording of your debate? It no longer appears in the Infidel Guy&#8217;s feed nor does the link you provide lead to it.</p>
<p>Many thanks &#8230; S</p>
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		<title>By: NeuroLogica Blog &#187; Michael Savage, Britney Spears, and other Autism News</title>
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		<dc:creator>NeuroLogica Blog &#187; Michael Savage, Britney Spears, and other Autism News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I have to admit, this rivals McCarthy for abject ignorance. I understand that radio hosts have to fill a lot of air time, and they typically do so with their opinions and analysis rather than hard data - but this does not justify speaking utter ignorant nonsense to millions of listeners. This is simple-minded mental-illness denial. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I have to admit, this rivals McCarthy for abject ignorance. I understand that radio hosts have to fill a lot of air time, and they typically do so with their opinions and analysis rather than hard data &#8211; but this does not justify speaking utter ignorant nonsense to millions of listeners. This is simple-minded mental-illness denial. [...]</p>
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