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		<title>By: asifbeg</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/homeopathy-apologetics-from-dana-ullman/comment-page-1/#comment-6269</link>
		<dc:creator>asifbeg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i found this funny
http://depletedcranium.com/?p=295</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i found this funny<br />
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		<title>By: decius</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/homeopathy-apologetics-from-dana-ullman/comment-page-1/#comment-2001</link>
		<dc:creator>decius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to mr. Ullman for the clarification: the usage of fraudulent rhetorical tactics -akin to those employed by the ideologues of creationism and ID- empower us to discern the merely deluded quacks from the  wilfully malicious charlatans. Therefore, we can henceforth count him among the latter, with no fear of hurting his precious feelings.

I commend you, Steve, for devoting so much of your time to stem such seemingly unstoppable cascades of cognitive dung, propelled by sheer dishonesty and, arguably, greed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to mr. Ullman for the clarification: the usage of fraudulent rhetorical tactics -akin to those employed by the ideologues of creationism and ID- empower us to discern the merely deluded quacks from the  wilfully malicious charlatans. Therefore, we can henceforth count him among the latter, with no fear of hurting his precious feelings.</p>
<p>I commend you, Steve, for devoting so much of your time to stem such seemingly unstoppable cascades of cognitive dung, propelled by sheer dishonesty and, arguably, greed.</p>
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		<title>By: NeuroLogica Blog &#187; Responding to Dana Ullman</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/homeopathy-apologetics-from-dana-ullman/comment-page-1/#comment-1993</link>
		<dc:creator>NeuroLogica Blog &#187; Responding to Dana Ullman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] homeopath Dana Ullman has been gracing the comments section of this blog. I always welcome contrary views - it sparks [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] homeopath Dana Ullman has been gracing the comments section of this blog. I always welcome contrary views &#8211; it sparks [...]</p>
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		<title>By: HCN</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/homeopathy-apologetics-from-dana-ullman/comment-page-1/#comment-778</link>
		<dc:creator>HCN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How Ullman works is summerized here:
http://badscience.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=64714&amp;highlight=#64714</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How Ullman works is summerized here:<br />
<a href="http://badscience.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=64714&#038;highlight=#64714" rel="nofollow">http://badscience.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=64714&#038;highlight=#64714</a></p>
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		<title>By: Freddy the Pig</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/homeopathy-apologetics-from-dana-ullman/comment-page-1/#comment-721</link>
		<dc:creator>Freddy the Pig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 09:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>daijiyobu - As far as I know Allopathy is actually early Nineteenth Century medicine (which was not much different from medieval medicine) - bleeding, calomel (which contained mercury), the 4 humors etc.  Homeopathy probably was better than allopathy since the homeopath did nothing to you (other than lighten your wallet) while the allopath actively tried to kill you.

The current use of the term Allopath to describe scientific medicine goes beyond a straw man to being outright slander.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>daijiyobu &#8211; As far as I know Allopathy is actually early Nineteenth Century medicine (which was not much different from medieval medicine) &#8211; bleeding, calomel (which contained mercury), the 4 humors etc.  Homeopathy probably was better than allopathy since the homeopath did nothing to you (other than lighten your wallet) while the allopath actively tried to kill you.</p>
<p>The current use of the term Allopath to describe scientific medicine goes beyond a straw man to being outright slander.</p>
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		<title>By: daedalus2u</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/homeopathy-apologetics-from-dana-ullman/comment-page-1/#comment-698</link>
		<dc:creator>daedalus2u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually it took a long time for some to abandon the ether.  Millikan didn&#039;t accept the quantum explanation for the photoelectric effect for decades.  Even when it was his own data that gave the strongest support for it and had already convinced virtually everyone else.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Millikan

But Millikan was intellectually honest, and reported his data as he measured it, not as he wished it to be.  

The source of a hypothesis is irrelevant to how well that hypothesis fits the data and how well it corresponds to reality.  The original idea for the structure of the benzene ring came in a dream about a snake catching its tail.  Of course if benzene were not actually a ring, a dream about a snake catching its tail would have been a useless distraction, not a source of revelation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually it took a long time for some to abandon the ether.  Millikan didn&#8217;t accept the quantum explanation for the photoelectric effect for decades.  Even when it was his own data that gave the strongest support for it and had already convinced virtually everyone else.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Millikan" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Millikan</a></p>
<p>But Millikan was intellectually honest, and reported his data as he measured it, not as he wished it to be.  </p>
<p>The source of a hypothesis is irrelevant to how well that hypothesis fits the data and how well it corresponds to reality.  The original idea for the structure of the benzene ring came in a dream about a snake catching its tail.  Of course if benzene were not actually a ring, a dream about a snake catching its tail would have been a useless distraction, not a source of revelation.</p>
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		<title>By: superdave</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1)  The quotes you pulled from Ullman&#039;s article are literally laughable.

2 ) As you have brought up in the podcast, the holistic vs. non holistic argument is non existent.  Except in very obvious cases, like when I broke my hand, just about every doctor I have been to has always asked basic questions about my diet or stress levels.  

3) I think the ether is the perfect topic to bring up to any pseudo-scientist because it was a concept that was basically unanimously agreed upon by science and in a very short amount of time was completely abandoned when evidence against it mounted.  It proves without a doubt that science is willing to accept contradictory notions when there is proof.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1)  The quotes you pulled from Ullman&#8217;s article are literally laughable.</p>
<p>2 ) As you have brought up in the podcast, the holistic vs. non holistic argument is non existent.  Except in very obvious cases, like when I broke my hand, just about every doctor I have been to has always asked basic questions about my diet or stress levels.  </p>
<p>3) I think the ether is the perfect topic to bring up to any pseudo-scientist because it was a concept that was basically unanimously agreed upon by science and in a very short amount of time was completely abandoned when evidence against it mounted.  It proves without a doubt that science is willing to accept contradictory notions when there is proof.</p>
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		<title>By: daijiyobu</title>
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		<dc:creator>daijiyobu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: HCN quoting Campbell per homeopathy&#039;s knowledge as achieved via divine revelation...

I don&#039;t think there is a more powerful &#039;science-stopper&#039; than claiming that most utmost of subjective absolutes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: HCN quoting Campbell per homeopathy&#8217;s knowledge as achieved via divine revelation&#8230;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there is a more powerful &#8216;science-stopper&#8217; than claiming that most utmost of subjective absolutes.</p>
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		<title>By: The return of Dana Ullman, clueless homeopath [Respectful Insolence] &#124; NewAge.org</title>
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		<dc:creator>The return of Dana Ullman, clueless homeopath [Respectful Insolence] &#124; NewAge.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] thanks to Steve Novella, I&#8217;ve learned that Ullman&#8217;s back, and he&#8217;s badder than ever (and not in a good [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Steven Novella</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/homeopathy-apologetics-from-dana-ullman/comment-page-1/#comment-693</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Novella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Annemieke,

Out of the choices you offered- homeopathic principles are not only &quot;not powerful enough&quot; they are non-existent. The &quot;meritocracy of science&quot; means that ideas are tested against reality and only those that work survive. Homeopathic ideas have no relationship to reality, they are scientifically dead. 

Homeopathy survives through marketing and using cultural and political avenues to circumvent science - to change the rules. Doing an end-run around science in order to sell nonsense to the public does not serve society, it only serves the profits of those who sell homeopathy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annemieke,</p>
<p>Out of the choices you offered- homeopathic principles are not only &#8220;not powerful enough&#8221; they are non-existent. The &#8220;meritocracy of science&#8221; means that ideas are tested against reality and only those that work survive. Homeopathic ideas have no relationship to reality, they are scientifically dead. </p>
<p>Homeopathy survives through marketing and using cultural and political avenues to circumvent science &#8211; to change the rules. Doing an end-run around science in order to sell nonsense to the public does not serve society, it only serves the profits of those who sell homeopathy.</p>
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