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		<title>By: Steven Novella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Novella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 17:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Medlies,

All of the posts on this blog were written by an MD - me. 

Your anecdotes are worthless - see here: http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=33

For example, most throat infections will get better by themselves without treatment. Any treatment that appears anecdotally to be good for everything is likely good for nothing - it&#039;s just revealing the futility of anecdotes.

Whenever anyone appeals to the AMA bogeyman, you can be sure they have no idea what they are talking about. The AMA does not regulate medicine in any way. 

Arguments from authority and appeals to conspiracies are not compelling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Medlies,</p>
<p>All of the posts on this blog were written by an MD &#8211; me. </p>
<p>Your anecdotes are worthless &#8211; see here: <a href="http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=33" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=33</a></p>
<p>For example, most throat infections will get better by themselves without treatment. Any treatment that appears anecdotally to be good for everything is likely good for nothing &#8211; it&#8217;s just revealing the futility of anecdotes.</p>
<p>Whenever anyone appeals to the AMA bogeyman, you can be sure they have no idea what they are talking about. The AMA does not regulate medicine in any way. </p>
<p>Arguments from authority and appeals to conspiracies are not compelling.</p>
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		<title>By: Medlies</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/history-repeats-itself-the-papimi-scam/comment-page-1/#comment-3317</link>
		<dc:creator>Medlies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 03:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read all of your skeptical letters.  Have any of you USED this device?  I did.  My low back pain (an 8 on a scale of 10)  Disappeared!  Two months later, my Sciatica reappeared.  I drove again, from Vegas to LA, and used the Papimi again.  Pain GONE in minutes.  An entrepreneurial gentleman bought a machine, hired an RN to run the office, and brought it to Vegas.  I brought him 25 or so customers, each of whom recieved a free thirty minute session.  I used the machine about 20 more times, as I was loving the results I had gotten for my pain.  

Some of my personal results:

1. Recurring low back pain NEVER returned and I have not had an instance in several years since treatments.

2.  I had a case of strep throat (ok, undiagnosed by your trusted AMA drug pushers), at least I had puss-filled blisters on my tonsils, a fever and a primary care physician who couldn&#039;t see me or write me a perscription for THREE DAYS (I called on Monday and was offered a Thursday morning appointment).  Having not used the Papimi for a couple of months, I went in that day, got treated on the Nurse&#039;s LUNCH HOUR (try that with your MD), and the blisters were GONE in the morning without drugs or anything else except healthy eating.

3.  Eczema on my thumb approx. 1/2 sq. inch, during the time of my treatments became COMPLETELY asymptomatic and healthy skin covered the site.  It has come back however, it did not re-emerge until months after treatments.

The ama is poisoning you and half of your posts look like they were posted by MD&#039;s or Pharmacy execs.  Do some research:  Rife, Tesla, Pappas (Whose uncle invented the PAP smear and who is a GENIUS, not a scam artist.  Scam artists are abundant in our conventional medical establishments right here in the good ol&#039; USA!  Enjoy your flat earth and your anti-depressants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read all of your skeptical letters.  Have any of you USED this device?  I did.  My low back pain (an 8 on a scale of 10)  Disappeared!  Two months later, my Sciatica reappeared.  I drove again, from Vegas to LA, and used the Papimi again.  Pain GONE in minutes.  An entrepreneurial gentleman bought a machine, hired an RN to run the office, and brought it to Vegas.  I brought him 25 or so customers, each of whom recieved a free thirty minute session.  I used the machine about 20 more times, as I was loving the results I had gotten for my pain.  </p>
<p>Some of my personal results:</p>
<p>1. Recurring low back pain NEVER returned and I have not had an instance in several years since treatments.</p>
<p>2.  I had a case of strep throat (ok, undiagnosed by your trusted AMA drug pushers), at least I had puss-filled blisters on my tonsils, a fever and a primary care physician who couldn&#8217;t see me or write me a perscription for THREE DAYS (I called on Monday and was offered a Thursday morning appointment).  Having not used the Papimi for a couple of months, I went in that day, got treated on the Nurse&#8217;s LUNCH HOUR (try that with your MD), and the blisters were GONE in the morning without drugs or anything else except healthy eating.</p>
<p>3.  Eczema on my thumb approx. 1/2 sq. inch, during the time of my treatments became COMPLETELY asymptomatic and healthy skin covered the site.  It has come back however, it did not re-emerge until months after treatments.</p>
<p>The ama is poisoning you and half of your posts look like they were posted by MD&#8217;s or Pharmacy execs.  Do some research:  Rife, Tesla, Pappas (Whose uncle invented the PAP smear and who is a GENIUS, not a scam artist.  Scam artists are abundant in our conventional medical establishments right here in the good ol&#8217; USA!  Enjoy your flat earth and your anti-depressants.</p>
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		<title>By: NeuroLogica Blog &#187; FDA Action - Better Late Than Never</title>
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		<dc:creator>NeuroLogica Blog &#187; FDA Action - Better Late Than Never</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I wrote last month about the PAPIMI machine, a fraudulent &#8220;energy healing&#8221; device being widely distributed despite the fact that the FDA had already determined that the marketing and use of the device constituted medical fraud. The story was written by staff writers for The Seattle Times who were doing real investigative journalism into health fraud. The piece was very refreshing - they felt no need for false balance or politically correct subservience to the latest fad pseudoscience. Instead they said - Hey, look at this. This is dangerous fraud. Why isn&#8217;t the FDA stopping this and warning the public? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I wrote last month about the PAPIMI machine, a fraudulent &#8220;energy healing&#8221; device being widely distributed despite the fact that the FDA had already determined that the marketing and use of the device constituted medical fraud. The story was written by staff writers for The Seattle Times who were doing real investigative journalism into health fraud. The piece was very refreshing &#8211; they felt no need for false balance or politically correct subservience to the latest fad pseudoscience. Instead they said &#8211; Hey, look at this. This is dangerous fraud. Why isn&#8217;t the FDA stopping this and warning the public? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Aust</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr Aust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The old scams are still around too, Steve.

I was trying to suggest radionics (Abrams&#039; invention) as an &quot;abandoned Alt Med modality&quot; on PalMD&#039;s blog....

...and then I found that it &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.radionic.co.uk/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;isn&#039;t abandoned&lt;/a&gt;.

Apparently the practitioners are often also homoeopaths. Hmmm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The old scams are still around too, Steve.</p>
<p>I was trying to suggest radionics (Abrams&#8217; invention) as an &#8220;abandoned Alt Med modality&#8221; on PalMD&#8217;s blog&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8230;and then I found that it <a href="http://www.radionic.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">isn&#8217;t abandoned</a>.</p>
<p>Apparently the practitioners are often also homoeopaths. Hmmm.</p>
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		<title>By: RossPatton</title>
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		<dc:creator>RossPatton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree, the fact that it was in Seattle Times exposing him is a good thing. &#039;Alternative&#039; medicine thrives here. Homeopathy, Naturopathy, Aromatherapy, Energy healing, you name it, we have it.

Just the other day, I saw a Kevin Trudeau book for sale at my college. There&#039;s also a free magazine called Conscious Choice. I got one because it bills itself as a progressive, pro-atheist magazine. I had to chuck it because it was FULL of alternative and pseudo nonsense.

The area has the highest concentration of college graduates in the entire country, but yet quackery thrives here of all places. I just don&#039;t get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree, the fact that it was in Seattle Times exposing him is a good thing. &#8216;Alternative&#8217; medicine thrives here. Homeopathy, Naturopathy, Aromatherapy, Energy healing, you name it, we have it.</p>
<p>Just the other day, I saw a Kevin Trudeau book for sale at my college. There&#8217;s also a free magazine called Conscious Choice. I got one because it bills itself as a progressive, pro-atheist magazine. I had to chuck it because it was FULL of alternative and pseudo nonsense.</p>
<p>The area has the highest concentration of college graduates in the entire country, but yet quackery thrives here of all places. I just don&#8217;t get it.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Goldwater</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Goldwater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do not feel at all discouraged. The fact that it is the Seattle Times doing this expose is very significant. I&#039;m a Seattleite. I had a young, bright fellow over for a lunch not long ago. He&#039;s going to the local naturopathic college, Bastyr. I don&#039;t know if he got the following practice from Bastyr...probably from one of the many, many associated inventive health facilitators. But the fact that he&#039;s a student at Bastyr says something about its scientific rigor. 
  
This young fellow was convinced that his hands could become so filled with energy, if he learned a certain technique, that he would be able to direct this energy and it would help others&#039; bodies heal. 

I tried to pursue the nature of this energy. How was it measured? You could feel it in your hands. Was there a way to show it was effective? Yes, the teacher made objects move. And in his training he had....maybe....made something move but wasn&#039;t totally sure. How close did you have to be...was there a 1/x-squared drop-off? No drop-off. In fact, it was possible to move an object on the other side of the Earth. Was it only good on Earth or could the practitioner move objects on the Moon? My wife stopped my questioning at this point because she thought, incorrectly, that I was making fun of him. In fact, I was pursuing an understanding of this energy &amp; the young fellow, I think, understood that. 

My wife has another friend who spent 25,000 dollars about 7 years ago for some computer &amp; program that you hooked to  some parts of your body and then, as you sat there, would list body functions and a number [to tell you the current function level of the function]. My wife did it...of course her friend knew her frailties beforehand. But the machine was &quot;diagnosing&quot; the underlying problems of those frailties. With this information, my wife&#039;s friend could then use her knowledge of alternative health care to suggest a course to better health. 

These stories are typical here and also in Oregon. I don&#039;t know about the rest of the world. But the fact that in, at least, one of the homes of energy medicine the hometown paper is sounding an alarm may prompt some of the bright young people to think twice about energy medicine. It is SO popular here.

I think the Seattle Times series is non-threatening in that it focuses on true con-artists....indicted at that. But the implications for the common energy-healer can not be unaddressed in the minds of the reader. This series is a step in the right direction in a place that needs more food for thought for those who are drawn into the energy healing fields.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do not feel at all discouraged. The fact that it is the Seattle Times doing this expose is very significant. I&#8217;m a Seattleite. I had a young, bright fellow over for a lunch not long ago. He&#8217;s going to the local naturopathic college, Bastyr. I don&#8217;t know if he got the following practice from Bastyr&#8230;probably from one of the many, many associated inventive health facilitators. But the fact that he&#8217;s a student at Bastyr says something about its scientific rigor. </p>
<p>This young fellow was convinced that his hands could become so filled with energy, if he learned a certain technique, that he would be able to direct this energy and it would help others&#8217; bodies heal. </p>
<p>I tried to pursue the nature of this energy. How was it measured? You could feel it in your hands. Was there a way to show it was effective? Yes, the teacher made objects move. And in his training he had&#8230;.maybe&#8230;.made something move but wasn&#8217;t totally sure. How close did you have to be&#8230;was there a 1/x-squared drop-off? No drop-off. In fact, it was possible to move an object on the other side of the Earth. Was it only good on Earth or could the practitioner move objects on the Moon? My wife stopped my questioning at this point because she thought, incorrectly, that I was making fun of him. In fact, I was pursuing an understanding of this energy &amp; the young fellow, I think, understood that. </p>
<p>My wife has another friend who spent 25,000 dollars about 7 years ago for some computer &amp; program that you hooked to  some parts of your body and then, as you sat there, would list body functions and a number [to tell you the current function level of the function]. My wife did it&#8230;of course her friend knew her frailties beforehand. But the machine was &#8220;diagnosing&#8221; the underlying problems of those frailties. With this information, my wife&#8217;s friend could then use her knowledge of alternative health care to suggest a course to better health. </p>
<p>These stories are typical here and also in Oregon. I don&#8217;t know about the rest of the world. But the fact that in, at least, one of the homes of energy medicine the hometown paper is sounding an alarm may prompt some of the bright young people to think twice about energy medicine. It is SO popular here.</p>
<p>I think the Seattle Times series is non-threatening in that it focuses on true con-artists&#8230;.indicted at that. But the implications for the common energy-healer can not be unaddressed in the minds of the reader. This series is a step in the right direction in a place that needs more food for thought for those who are drawn into the energy healing fields.</p>
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		<title>By: ellazimm</title>
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		<dc:creator>ellazimm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes I think that the hardest part about being skeptical isn&#039;t the staying-on-your-toes part or the hurting your friends and family part (like when they find you reading The God Delusion or when you try to convince them to get real medical attention); the hardest part is just grinding through another variation on the same old scam.  Why do these things just keep coming up again and again and again?  I thought skepticism was supposed to be engaging not boring.  Sigh.  I&#039;m going to go and watch Bronowski&#039;s Ascent of Man again.  Actually, I haven&#039;t finished Creationism&#039;s Trojan Horse yet (Monkey Girl is very good by the way).  And there&#039;s lot of stuff I haven&#039;t even looked at on Talk Origins.  Okay, I feel better now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes I think that the hardest part about being skeptical isn&#8217;t the staying-on-your-toes part or the hurting your friends and family part (like when they find you reading The God Delusion or when you try to convince them to get real medical attention); the hardest part is just grinding through another variation on the same old scam.  Why do these things just keep coming up again and again and again?  I thought skepticism was supposed to be engaging not boring.  Sigh.  I&#8217;m going to go and watch Bronowski&#8217;s Ascent of Man again.  Actually, I haven&#8217;t finished Creationism&#8217;s Trojan Horse yet (Monkey Girl is very good by the way).  And there&#8217;s lot of stuff I haven&#8217;t even looked at on Talk Origins.  Okay, I feel better now.</p>
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