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		<title>By: Science-Based Medicine &#187; Chopra and Weil and Roy, oh my! Or: The Wall Street Journal, coopted.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Science-Based Medicine &#187; Chopra and Weil and Roy, oh my! Or: The Wall Street Journal, coopted.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 08:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] greater threat to science-based medicine that Dr. Chopra. That&#8217;s because Deepak Chopra, with his pseudoscientific nonsense, is so far off the deep end that very few in academia take him the least bit seriously. Andrew [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] greater threat to science-based medicine that Dr. Chopra. That&#8217;s because Deepak Chopra, with his pseudoscientific nonsense, is so far off the deep end that very few in academia take him the least bit seriously. Andrew [...]</p>
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		<title>By: pendens proditor</title>
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		<dc:creator>pendens proditor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 22:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is my new favorite Deepak Chopra critique.

He came to my workplace a few months ago to hand out his book and give a motivational talk. He was described on the event flyers as &quot;one of today&#039;s leading philosophers.&quot;

I almost choked when I saw it. Philosophy is RIGOROUS and EXACTING. Chopra is almost the antithesis of a philosopher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is my new favorite Deepak Chopra critique.</p>
<p>He came to my workplace a few months ago to hand out his book and give a motivational talk. He was described on the event flyers as &#8220;one of today&#8217;s leading philosophers.&#8221;</p>
<p>I almost choked when I saw it. Philosophy is RIGOROUS and EXACTING. Chopra is almost the antithesis of a philosopher.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Niles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy Niles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 21:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ayn Rand versus Deepak Chopra.  What would you call that, a dichotomy of mutually exclusive falsity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ayn Rand versus Deepak Chopra.  What would you call that, a dichotomy of mutually exclusive falsity?</p>
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		<title>By: fortruth</title>
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		<dc:creator>fortruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;In the ultimate reality there is only pure consciousness&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
That is Deepak Chopra&#039;s central point and that is the root of all his drivel. Ayn Rand called this the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/primacyofexistence.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;primacy of consciousness&lt;/a&gt;

I quote

&lt;i&gt;&quot;The basic metaphysical issue that lies at the root of any system of philosophy [is] the primacy of existence or the primacy of consciousness.

The primacy of existence (of reality) is the axiom that existence exists, i.e., that the universe exists independent of consciousness (of any consciousness), that things are what they are, that they possess a specific nature, an identity. The epistemological corollary is the axiom that consciousness is the faculty of perceiving that which exists—and that man gains knowledge of reality by looking outward. The rejection of these axioms represents a reversal: the primacy of consciousness—the notion that the universe has no independent existence, that it is the product of a consciousness (either human or divine or both). The epistemological corollary is the notion that man gains knowledge of reality by looking inward (either at his own consciousness or at the revelations it receives from another, superior consciousness).

The source of this reversal is the inability or unwillingness fully to grasp the difference between one’s inner state and the outer world, i.e., between the perceiver and the perceived (thus blending consciousness and existence into one indeterminate package-deal). This crucial distinction is not given to man automatically; it has to be learned. It is implicit in any awareness, but it has to be grasped conceptually and held as an absolute.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;In the ultimate reality there is only pure consciousness&#8221;</i><br />
That is Deepak Chopra&#8217;s central point and that is the root of all his drivel. Ayn Rand called this the <a href="http://www.aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/primacyofexistence.html" rel="nofollow">primacy of consciousness</a></p>
<p>I quote</p>
<p><i>&#8220;The basic metaphysical issue that lies at the root of any system of philosophy [is] the primacy of existence or the primacy of consciousness.</p>
<p>The primacy of existence (of reality) is the axiom that existence exists, i.e., that the universe exists independent of consciousness (of any consciousness), that things are what they are, that they possess a specific nature, an identity. The epistemological corollary is the axiom that consciousness is the faculty of perceiving that which exists—and that man gains knowledge of reality by looking outward. The rejection of these axioms represents a reversal: the primacy of consciousness—the notion that the universe has no independent existence, that it is the product of a consciousness (either human or divine or both). The epistemological corollary is the notion that man gains knowledge of reality by looking inward (either at his own consciousness or at the revelations it receives from another, superior consciousness).</p>
<p>The source of this reversal is the inability or unwillingness fully to grasp the difference between one’s inner state and the outer world, i.e., between the perceiver and the perceived (thus blending consciousness and existence into one indeterminate package-deal). This crucial distinction is not given to man automatically; it has to be learned. It is implicit in any awareness, but it has to be grasped conceptually and held as an absolute.&#8221;</i></p>
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		<title>By: Eenymeeny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eenymeeny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spot-on &quot;dechoprification&quot;.

My only problem was that I felt genuinely sorry for your having to read this garbage in order to present us with such a masterly dissection of it :=)

And I have a new favorite term: &quot;magical thinking&quot;.

I can see that being useful in a truly vast number of contexts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot-on &#8220;dechoprification&#8221;.</p>
<p>My only problem was that I felt genuinely sorry for your having to read this garbage in order to present us with such a masterly dissection of it :=)</p>
<p>And I have a new favorite term: &#8220;magical thinking&#8221;.</p>
<p>I can see that being useful in a truly vast number of contexts.</p>
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		<title>By: suszennn</title>
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		<dc:creator>suszennn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>back in the days when astrology was used with medicine every year when the sky lined up a certain way all these people would come down with a sickness....so they say the  influance  of the sky &quot;astrology&quot; the word    Influenza  was born...how about that......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>back in the days when astrology was used with medicine every year when the sky lined up a certain way all these people would come down with a sickness&#8230;.so they say the  influance  of the sky &#8220;astrology&#8221; the word    Influenza  was born&#8230;how about that&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: wertys</title>
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		<dc:creator>wertys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When an English philosopher (sorry can&#039;t remember who) was reviewing Wittgenstein&#039;s Tractatus he said &quot;What can&#039;t be said, can&#039;t be said, and it can&#039;t be whistled either&quot;

If Chopra and his buddies can&#039;t be clear and understandable the problem is not likely to be that they can&#039;t express their complex ideas. The likeliest explanation is that if the words can&#039;t followed, the ideas are wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When an English philosopher (sorry can&#8217;t remember who) was reviewing Wittgenstein&#8217;s Tractatus he said &#8220;What can&#8217;t be said, can&#8217;t be said, and it can&#8217;t be whistled either&#8221;</p>
<p>If Chopra and his buddies can&#8217;t be clear and understandable the problem is not likely to be that they can&#8217;t express their complex ideas. The likeliest explanation is that if the words can&#8217;t followed, the ideas are wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Niles</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/deepak-chopra-more-woo-from-the-master/comment-page-1/#comment-4431</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Niles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>clgood, 
If I&#039;ve been charitable to Chopra, it&#039;s not out of charity.  But what makes him appear such an idiot is not (in my view) as much chicanery as it is faith in the institutional idiocy that has formed his beliefs.  
He reportedly says that he has been influenced by the teachings of Vedanta and the Bhagavad Gita, as well as by Jiddu Krishnamurti (the &quot;consciousness&quot; guru).  And he&#039;s just one of many adherents of that ancient mess of flapdoodle that have also added the study of Western medicine and science to the mix.  
The published papers on the proper way to rationalize an acceptance of these conflicting world views are numerous among that crowd. (As they are among some of our own religious brethren.) 
So I doubt if he is consciously betraying his schooling any more than he felt he betrayed his religion by acquiring the schooling to begin with. 
And any lying he is doing, again in my view, is mostly to himself.
Or, as I commented early on, lying for Krishna.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>clgood,<br />
If I&#8217;ve been charitable to Chopra, it&#8217;s not out of charity.  But what makes him appear such an idiot is not (in my view) as much chicanery as it is faith in the institutional idiocy that has formed his beliefs.<br />
He reportedly says that he has been influenced by the teachings of Vedanta and the Bhagavad Gita, as well as by Jiddu Krishnamurti (the &#8220;consciousness&#8221; guru).  And he&#8217;s just one of many adherents of that ancient mess of flapdoodle that have also added the study of Western medicine and science to the mix.<br />
The published papers on the proper way to rationalize an acceptance of these conflicting world views are numerous among that crowd. (As they are among some of our own religious brethren.)<br />
So I doubt if he is consciously betraying his schooling any more than he felt he betrayed his religion by acquiring the schooling to begin with.<br />
And any lying he is doing, again in my view, is mostly to himself.<br />
Or, as I commented early on, lying for Krishna.</p>
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		<title>By: Niels Kjaer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niels Kjaer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I gave up believing in atheism and agnosticism years ago. 

Beliefs are simply not doing me any good. Please don&#039;t twist my words: I have a long list of ethics more complex than quantum mechanics.   

I now live in the present, understand the past, and experiment with the future. I trust other humans but don&#039;t &quot;believe&quot; in them. &quot;Trivial&quot; things like how to cross-validate experiments I have developed myself. It is only in last couple of years statisticians have started realizing reality.

In all facets of life I meet many humans who focus more on being like other humans, than finding out what &quot;being&quot; means. But I also nowadays see more and more humans who are trying to find out what &quot;being&quot; is. What surprised me years ago is the smallness of the correlation between human approach to thinking and their CV. Now, I understand why, but I still don&#039;t understand why humans are seemingly uninterested in applying a tiny change to fix that problem. Would it be that humans are simply afraid of betraying the beliefs of their ancestors?

Why can&#039;t Skeptical Societies in the US be skeptical about themselves? This is how a small rotten country in the north called Denmark works. And yes, we are not proud about our immigration policy.

Sure, Chopra is BS&#039;ing, but why doesn&#039;t mainstream medicine take a skeptical look in the mirror? Instead of wasting effort making useless lists of people like Chopra that one shouldn&#039;t listen to. 

I used to ask: Why do medical people stop talking to non experts when vitamine D and oxytocin/vasopressin are mentioned? When I got an answer it would often be something like &quot;We, the experts, are working on it and we have the experience!&quot; This is what I call a &quot;para-normal&quot; answer. The experts have now been working more than 50 years on those two topics. Could it be that the answer is simply too simple and therefore embarrasing? And I am definitely not talking about para-normal answers. I think I do know a large part of the rather important answers to those two interesting topics and they are correlated, benign and slightly embarrasing. I think that you will know them as well within something like 18 months even if you don&#039;t ask. And no, I cannot cross-validate &quot;18 months&quot; because that would violate causality and be &quot;para-normal&quot;. One can only cross-validate scientific methods, not data nor conclusions.

The answers will quickly be verified using novel technologies like double-fMRI and 2-dimensional polarized near-infrared Raman spectroscopy. The most embarrasing about the answers will be that already in 1930&#039;s humanity had both the technology and the theories to give the answers. But that is probably what life is about: Answers tend to come when they are needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gave up believing in atheism and agnosticism years ago. </p>
<p>Beliefs are simply not doing me any good. Please don&#8217;t twist my words: I have a long list of ethics more complex than quantum mechanics.   </p>
<p>I now live in the present, understand the past, and experiment with the future. I trust other humans but don&#8217;t &#8220;believe&#8221; in them. &#8220;Trivial&#8221; things like how to cross-validate experiments I have developed myself. It is only in last couple of years statisticians have started realizing reality.</p>
<p>In all facets of life I meet many humans who focus more on being like other humans, than finding out what &#8220;being&#8221; means. But I also nowadays see more and more humans who are trying to find out what &#8220;being&#8221; is. What surprised me years ago is the smallness of the correlation between human approach to thinking and their CV. Now, I understand why, but I still don&#8217;t understand why humans are seemingly uninterested in applying a tiny change to fix that problem. Would it be that humans are simply afraid of betraying the beliefs of their ancestors?</p>
<p>Why can&#8217;t Skeptical Societies in the US be skeptical about themselves? This is how a small rotten country in the north called Denmark works. And yes, we are not proud about our immigration policy.</p>
<p>Sure, Chopra is BS&#8217;ing, but why doesn&#8217;t mainstream medicine take a skeptical look in the mirror? Instead of wasting effort making useless lists of people like Chopra that one shouldn&#8217;t listen to. </p>
<p>I used to ask: Why do medical people stop talking to non experts when vitamine D and oxytocin/vasopressin are mentioned? When I got an answer it would often be something like &#8220;We, the experts, are working on it and we have the experience!&#8221; This is what I call a &#8220;para-normal&#8221; answer. The experts have now been working more than 50 years on those two topics. Could it be that the answer is simply too simple and therefore embarrasing? And I am definitely not talking about para-normal answers. I think I do know a large part of the rather important answers to those two interesting topics and they are correlated, benign and slightly embarrasing. I think that you will know them as well within something like 18 months even if you don&#8217;t ask. And no, I cannot cross-validate &#8220;18 months&#8221; because that would violate causality and be &#8220;para-normal&#8221;. One can only cross-validate scientific methods, not data nor conclusions.</p>
<p>The answers will quickly be verified using novel technologies like double-fMRI and 2-dimensional polarized near-infrared Raman spectroscopy. The most embarrasing about the answers will be that already in 1930&#8242;s humanity had both the technology and the theories to give the answers. But that is probably what life is about: Answers tend to come when they are needed.</p>
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		<title>By: Cerebro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cerebro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 01:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bottom line is this, Chopra believes in magic.</description>
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