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		<title>By: HHC</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/chemical-castration-for-autism-the-latest-atrocity/comment-page-2/#comment-12328</link>
		<dc:creator>HHC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 23:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>skeptigirl, Merci beaucoup pour l&#039;charte canadienne des droits pour les personnes ayant L&#039;autisme.  C&#039;est inspire par les documents presente sur le 10 mai 1992 et le mai 1996.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>skeptigirl, Merci beaucoup pour l&#8217;charte canadienne des droits pour les personnes ayant L&#8217;autisme.  C&#8217;est inspire par les documents presente sur le 10 mai 1992 et le mai 1996.</p>
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		<title>By: If ever there was a use for this category, this is it &#171; skeptigirl</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/chemical-castration-for-autism-the-latest-atrocity/comment-page-2/#comment-12326</link>
		<dc:creator>If ever there was a use for this category, this is it &#171; skeptigirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 16:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sweet merciful crap. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: artfulD</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/chemical-castration-for-autism-the-latest-atrocity/comment-page-2/#comment-12158</link>
		<dc:creator>artfulD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 22:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The heading on the page is: 
Autism Aspergers Myths - The Theory of Mind

The author is Eric Chen, from Singapore, with a diagnosis of Autism Spectrum Disorder, and he wrote a book about his own journey of self-improvement.  Who else should you listen to, and offer a modicum of trust that they understand the subject, if not someone like him?
I won&#039;t quote anything he said here, but if you had a hard time following it, you should try going over some of it again.
But if you&#039;re happy with your present concepts - your present &quot;theory of mind&quot;- and are convinced you have nothing to learn from this man&#039;s experiences, then leave it be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The heading on the page is:<br />
Autism Aspergers Myths &#8211; The Theory of Mind</p>
<p>The author is Eric Chen, from Singapore, with a diagnosis of Autism Spectrum Disorder, and he wrote a book about his own journey of self-improvement.  Who else should you listen to, and offer a modicum of trust that they understand the subject, if not someone like him?<br />
I won&#8217;t quote anything he said here, but if you had a hard time following it, you should try going over some of it again.<br />
But if you&#8217;re happy with your present concepts &#8211; your present &#8220;theory of mind&#8221;- and are convinced you have nothing to learn from this man&#8217;s experiences, then leave it be.</p>
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		<title>By: daedalus2u</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/chemical-castration-for-autism-the-latest-atrocity/comment-page-2/#comment-12155</link>
		<dc:creator>daedalus2u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 21:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t find any reference to my conceptualization of theory of mind or any discussion of it and I had a hard time following his.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t find any reference to my conceptualization of theory of mind or any discussion of it and I had a hard time following his.</p>
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		<title>By: artfulD</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/chemical-castration-for-autism-the-latest-atrocity/comment-page-2/#comment-12152</link>
		<dc:creator>artfulD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 15:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding Theory of Mind, you might want to read what this guy has to say about what you have to say:
http://iautistic.com/autism-myths-theory-of-mind.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Theory of Mind, you might want to read what this guy has to say about what you have to say:<br />
<a href="http://iautistic.com/autism-myths-theory-of-mind.php" rel="nofollow">http://iautistic.com/autism-myths-theory-of-mind.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: daedalus2u</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/chemical-castration-for-autism-the-latest-atrocity/comment-page-2/#comment-12149</link>
		<dc:creator>daedalus2u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 12:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AD, cargo cult science is about the process, not the result.  It is about a process that is intellectually dishonest.  One can do intellectually honest science that is rigorous and correct and not interesting or useful.  

I disagree with your assessment that my research has not produced useful results.  That you say that makes it clear that you haven’t read or understood enough of it to make that assessment.  It certainly has improved my health, and I consider that to be useful.  It has opened up useful avenues of research that had been previously ignored.  Perhaps ethical considerations have slowed my progress, but not following an ethical process is not something I will do.  

What has slowed it the most is people not thinking clearly, rigorously and logically.  There is a lot of wrong stuff in the literature, ideas that have become accepted not because of facts and logic but because they seem intuitive even though they are wrong.  People anthropomorphize reality because they can only think about reality in anthropomorphic terms.  Often correct descriptions of reality do not correspond to anthropomorphic metaphors, but people have a great deal of difficulty in thinking beyond those anthropomorphic terms.  

I think the latching onto a poor but anthropomorphic representation of reality is due to the limitations that some people have in thinking.  They use anthropomorphic representations by their “theory of mind” (to use a term I discuss in my blog) rather than more precise representations because there are plenty of neural structures to do anthropomorphic-type thinking.  That is how humans communicate.  Anthropomorphic thinking comes very naturally and very easily, even when it is wrong.

One of the major wrong ideas that is slowing progress is the wrong idea of homeostasis.  I have a write-up of that.  Explaining how homeostasis is a wrong idea is a useful result of my research.  

http://daedalus2u.blogspot.com/2008/01/myth-of-homeostasis-implications-for.html

I am proceeding as fast as I can given the constraints I have to work under, the resources I have available and my abilities.  It does cause me considerable angst that people don’t have the opportunity to improve their health by raising their NO levels by using my technique.  I am doing everything within my power to try and make that happen which assuages my guilt at not being successful yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AD, cargo cult science is about the process, not the result.  It is about a process that is intellectually dishonest.  One can do intellectually honest science that is rigorous and correct and not interesting or useful.  </p>
<p>I disagree with your assessment that my research has not produced useful results.  That you say that makes it clear that you haven’t read or understood enough of it to make that assessment.  It certainly has improved my health, and I consider that to be useful.  It has opened up useful avenues of research that had been previously ignored.  Perhaps ethical considerations have slowed my progress, but not following an ethical process is not something I will do.  </p>
<p>What has slowed it the most is people not thinking clearly, rigorously and logically.  There is a lot of wrong stuff in the literature, ideas that have become accepted not because of facts and logic but because they seem intuitive even though they are wrong.  People anthropomorphize reality because they can only think about reality in anthropomorphic terms.  Often correct descriptions of reality do not correspond to anthropomorphic metaphors, but people have a great deal of difficulty in thinking beyond those anthropomorphic terms.  </p>
<p>I think the latching onto a poor but anthropomorphic representation of reality is due to the limitations that some people have in thinking.  They use anthropomorphic representations by their “theory of mind” (to use a term I discuss in my blog) rather than more precise representations because there are plenty of neural structures to do anthropomorphic-type thinking.  That is how humans communicate.  Anthropomorphic thinking comes very naturally and very easily, even when it is wrong.</p>
<p>One of the major wrong ideas that is slowing progress is the wrong idea of homeostasis.  I have a write-up of that.  Explaining how homeostasis is a wrong idea is a useful result of my research.  </p>
<p><a href="http://daedalus2u.blogspot.com/2008/01/myth-of-homeostasis-implications-for.html" rel="nofollow">http://daedalus2u.blogspot.com/2008/01/myth-of-homeostasis-implications-for.html</a></p>
<p>I am proceeding as fast as I can given the constraints I have to work under, the resources I have available and my abilities.  It does cause me considerable angst that people don’t have the opportunity to improve their health by raising their NO levels by using my technique.  I am doing everything within my power to try and make that happen which assuages my guilt at not being successful yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Science-Based Medicine &#187; Chemical castration for autism: After three years, the mainstream media finally notices</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/chemical-castration-for-autism-the-latest-atrocity/comment-page-2/#comment-12146</link>
		<dc:creator>Science-Based Medicine &#187; Chemical castration for autism: After three years, the mainstream media finally notices</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 08:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] However, there is one other consequence of the antivaccine movement, however, and it is at least as important as the public health implications of the potential dimunition of herd immunity caused by the fear mongering of groups like Generation Rescue. That consequence is the cottage industry of &#8220;biomedical&#8221; treatments to which desperate parents subject their children. Gluten-free diets, chelation therapy (which has caused deaths), hyperbaric oxygen chambers (a recent story described a child getting severely burned when one of these caught fire), autistic children have been subjected to it all. But of all the biomedical woo to which autistic children have been subjected, one form of woo stands out as being particularly heinous. Indeed, I agree with our fearless leader Steve in characterizing it as an &#8220;atrocity.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] However, there is one other consequence of the antivaccine movement, however, and it is at least as important as the public health implications of the potential dimunition of herd immunity caused by the fear mongering of groups like Generation Rescue. That consequence is the cottage industry of &#8220;biomedical&#8221; treatments to which desperate parents subject their children. Gluten-free diets, chelation therapy (which has caused deaths), hyperbaric oxygen chambers (a recent story described a child getting severely burned when one of these caught fire), autistic children have been subjected to it all. But of all the biomedical woo to which autistic children have been subjected, one form of woo stands out as being particularly heinous. Indeed, I agree with our fearless leader Steve in characterizing it as an &#8220;atrocity.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: artfulD</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/chemical-castration-for-autism-the-latest-atrocity/comment-page-2/#comment-12142</link>
		<dc:creator>artfulD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 00:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, that&#039;s where you find the Common Rule alright. You betcha.  Keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that&#8217;s where you find the Common Rule alright. You betcha.  Keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: HHC</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/chemical-castration-for-autism-the-latest-atrocity/comment-page-2/#comment-12141</link>
		<dc:creator>HHC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 23:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The authority for IRB is 5 United States Code 301 and 42 United States Code 289(a).  Reference is the Code of Federal Regulations, Title 45, Protection of Human Subjects, Part 46- Office for Human Research Protections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The authority for IRB is 5 United States Code 301 and 42 United States Code 289(a).  Reference is the Code of Federal Regulations, Title 45, Protection of Human Subjects, Part 46- Office for Human Research Protections.</p>
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		<title>By: artfulD</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/chemical-castration-for-autism-the-latest-atrocity/comment-page-2/#comment-12139</link>
		<dc:creator>artfulD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 22:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>d2u, I repeat, cargo cult scientists conduct flawed research that fails to produce useful results. Ethics and fraud were not the hallmarks of that failing.
I seriously doubt that the Geiers ever believed that if anyone followed their rules, an ethical result would happen, since they knew the means to that end were in themselves unethical.
Considering that your own research has so far failed to produce useful results, does that make you a cargo cult scientist?  And is that failure in any way due to ethical considerations?  Would you succeed if you put ethics aside, as the Geiers have done?

And yet off you go on some rant about top down hierarchy which has little or nothing to do with the question at hand.  Would that it did and the situation might have been different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>d2u, I repeat, cargo cult scientists conduct flawed research that fails to produce useful results. Ethics and fraud were not the hallmarks of that failing.<br />
I seriously doubt that the Geiers ever believed that if anyone followed their rules, an ethical result would happen, since they knew the means to that end were in themselves unethical.<br />
Considering that your own research has so far failed to produce useful results, does that make you a cargo cult scientist?  And is that failure in any way due to ethical considerations?  Would you succeed if you put ethics aside, as the Geiers have done?</p>
<p>And yet off you go on some rant about top down hierarchy which has little or nothing to do with the question at hand.  Would that it did and the situation might have been different.</p>
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