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		<title>By: Captain Quirk</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 06:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kids and teenagers are often arrogant and fanciful, so it&#039;s no surprise he may perceive himself as on the threshold of a revolutionary breakthrough. I know when I was 12, I thought I could lick a TOE and devise a practical way of a human traveling at 0.9c by age 30 even though I&#039;d only taught myself basic calculus and calculus-based physics from old cheap textbooks and MIT OCW lectures/problems (hooray for dial-up!). What can I say? I&#039;m a science fiction afficionado and wanted to help pave the way for warp drive and practical time travel. I realized how unrealistic I was by the time I was about 14.

While his judgement may be that typical for a child his age (or perhaps slightly younger due to AS), he is clearly profoundly gifted in math/science. While my IQ isn&#039;t as high and I wasn&#039;t achieving as much at that age, I was doing college freshman level math, science, reading, and writing and denied a grade skip or academic accleration of any kind (apart from AP in high school, which was kind of a joke since they only had the algebra-based physics and the easy calculus at my school) on the basis of social skills deficits due to Asperger&#039;s. The frustration and boredom led to my losing the motivation to achieve in school, and doing the bare minimum to get an A (then B, then stopped caring about grades altogether in junior year). I spent all my class time socializing or writing science fiction novels and poetry.

According to the article, he even has a girlfriend. That doesn&#039;t say too much about his social skills, but at that age I was a pariah in my school, with only a handful of people who would engage me in conversation or respond to my initiation, and the one who people would frequently ask me out as a joke (I always saw through the charade before they finished, but that did not deter them a bit). Personally, I didn&#039;t have a girlfriend until I was 17 while taking classes at community college, and until I switched schools at age 15 and made a bunch of long-time friends the first day, I had only had two close friends, both between ages 12 and 14. Provided he has psychological guidance and interactions with social peers (such as through organized group activities and ASD social skills groups), it probably won&#039;t be much of a problem.

It&#039;s important that kids who get into college early and do so well are not pressured into keeping in the same field, or moving directly to grad school, or whatever. Many kids with such precocious abilities are internally motivated to keep going on that path, but it&#039;s important for them to know they always have the option to change course, that it isn&#039;t failing, and that it isn&#039;t their obligation to humanity to use their brains for important discoveries. No matter how capable and motivated, that is too much of a burden for a child. Hopefully his parents are taking this sort of approach.

As for autism and Asperger&#039;s being different entities, I would tend to agree, except that the lines between what is technically defined as Asperger&#039;s and what is technically defined as HFA are not terribly accurate way of differentiating. There are plenty of people with Asperger&#039;s who are not better at math, for instance - many, in fact, have much stronger verbal abilities than mathematical, and both areas may be in average or somewhat below average IQ range (but not too much lower, by definition).

A good chunk of people who meet the diagnostic criteria for Asperger&#039;s probably have a condition more in common with the majority of cases of HFA or PDD-NOS in terms of the genetic cause and/or general features in how the brain is different, but get the Asperger&#039;s label because they didn&#039;t have a speech delay (I have read of many people diagnosed with Asperger&#039;s as adults even when they had a significant speech delay as a child, and would more properly be classified as HFA according to DSM-IV-TR - someone with the &quot;classic autism&quot; picture may grow up to strongly resemble the &quot;classic Asperger&#039;s&quot; picture). There are adults with AS who can&#039;t function independently, despite good verbal skills.

That doesn&#039;t mean they&#039;re exactly the same condition, of course - far from it. Most probably we should draw the lines in different places, but we don&#039;t have enough data to draw the lines in the write places most cases (apart from specific, defined syndromes, but the subtypes documented by genetic/brain function patterns are dwarfed by those we cannot classify except as idiopathic, at least in the clinical setting).

So while I support considering different forms of autism under the ASD umbrella, there are, almost without question, different definable subtypes (we already know of a few but they&#039;re rare, though genetic patterns indicate there are probably some more common subtypes), but we don&#039;t know enough to reliably divide and categorize people into the different subtypes, even though we know enough that there are different types. More genetic and neuroscience studies should sheld light on this in future time.

Since a label is only as good as it is practical to be useful, a group of ill-defined conditions are probably best described at this time by an umbrella label. Until then, treatment/services really need to be based on the individual difficulties/strengths (which it is supposed to be now in theory, and I&#039;m not too optimistic that the change will do as much in practice as it should). In any case, research definitely is needed in defining subtypes, which would help determine if any totally unrelated conditions are being lumped together, as I suspect is likely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kids and teenagers are often arrogant and fanciful, so it&#8217;s no surprise he may perceive himself as on the threshold of a revolutionary breakthrough. I know when I was 12, I thought I could lick a TOE and devise a practical way of a human traveling at 0.9c by age 30 even though I&#8217;d only taught myself basic calculus and calculus-based physics from old cheap textbooks and MIT OCW lectures/problems (hooray for dial-up!). What can I say? I&#8217;m a science fiction afficionado and wanted to help pave the way for warp drive and practical time travel. I realized how unrealistic I was by the time I was about 14.</p>
<p>While his judgement may be that typical for a child his age (or perhaps slightly younger due to AS), he is clearly profoundly gifted in math/science. While my IQ isn&#8217;t as high and I wasn&#8217;t achieving as much at that age, I was doing college freshman level math, science, reading, and writing and denied a grade skip or academic accleration of any kind (apart from AP in high school, which was kind of a joke since they only had the algebra-based physics and the easy calculus at my school) on the basis of social skills deficits due to Asperger&#8217;s. The frustration and boredom led to my losing the motivation to achieve in school, and doing the bare minimum to get an A (then B, then stopped caring about grades altogether in junior year). I spent all my class time socializing or writing science fiction novels and poetry.</p>
<p>According to the article, he even has a girlfriend. That doesn&#8217;t say too much about his social skills, but at that age I was a pariah in my school, with only a handful of people who would engage me in conversation or respond to my initiation, and the one who people would frequently ask me out as a joke (I always saw through the charade before they finished, but that did not deter them a bit). Personally, I didn&#8217;t have a girlfriend until I was 17 while taking classes at community college, and until I switched schools at age 15 and made a bunch of long-time friends the first day, I had only had two close friends, both between ages 12 and 14. Provided he has psychological guidance and interactions with social peers (such as through organized group activities and ASD social skills groups), it probably won&#8217;t be much of a problem.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s important that kids who get into college early and do so well are not pressured into keeping in the same field, or moving directly to grad school, or whatever. Many kids with such precocious abilities are internally motivated to keep going on that path, but it&#8217;s important for them to know they always have the option to change course, that it isn&#8217;t failing, and that it isn&#8217;t their obligation to humanity to use their brains for important discoveries. No matter how capable and motivated, that is too much of a burden for a child. Hopefully his parents are taking this sort of approach.</p>
<p>As for autism and Asperger&#8217;s being different entities, I would tend to agree, except that the lines between what is technically defined as Asperger&#8217;s and what is technically defined as HFA are not terribly accurate way of differentiating. There are plenty of people with Asperger&#8217;s who are not better at math, for instance &#8211; many, in fact, have much stronger verbal abilities than mathematical, and both areas may be in average or somewhat below average IQ range (but not too much lower, by definition).</p>
<p>A good chunk of people who meet the diagnostic criteria for Asperger&#8217;s probably have a condition more in common with the majority of cases of HFA or PDD-NOS in terms of the genetic cause and/or general features in how the brain is different, but get the Asperger&#8217;s label because they didn&#8217;t have a speech delay (I have read of many people diagnosed with Asperger&#8217;s as adults even when they had a significant speech delay as a child, and would more properly be classified as HFA according to DSM-IV-TR &#8211; someone with the &#8220;classic autism&#8221; picture may grow up to strongly resemble the &#8220;classic Asperger&#8217;s&#8221; picture). There are adults with AS who can&#8217;t function independently, despite good verbal skills.</p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t mean they&#8217;re exactly the same condition, of course &#8211; far from it. Most probably we should draw the lines in different places, but we don&#8217;t have enough data to draw the lines in the write places most cases (apart from specific, defined syndromes, but the subtypes documented by genetic/brain function patterns are dwarfed by those we cannot classify except as idiopathic, at least in the clinical setting).</p>
<p>So while I support considering different forms of autism under the ASD umbrella, there are, almost without question, different definable subtypes (we already know of a few but they&#8217;re rare, though genetic patterns indicate there are probably some more common subtypes), but we don&#8217;t know enough to reliably divide and categorize people into the different subtypes, even though we know enough that there are different types. More genetic and neuroscience studies should sheld light on this in future time.</p>
<p>Since a label is only as good as it is practical to be useful, a group of ill-defined conditions are probably best described at this time by an umbrella label. Until then, treatment/services really need to be based on the individual difficulties/strengths (which it is supposed to be now in theory, and I&#8217;m not too optimistic that the change will do as much in practice as it should). In any case, research definitely is needed in defining subtypes, which would help determine if any totally unrelated conditions are being lumped together, as I suspect is likely.</p>
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		<title>By: lisahere</title>
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		<dc:creator>lisahere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2011 02:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, the reason we have aspbergers is because of authors insistence that one must be social according to a norm.  I guess the ideas about freedom and personality mean nothing here. Who determines what normal social behavior is? I dont think this is doable except in extreme cases, genuine resistance to social interaction, not people who have established connections with family but are insular. Almost all people establish connections with family. deeply autistic people have trouble doing even this. the classical autism. I think half of all scientists would be diagnosed on the spectrum, its arbitrary. theres no neurological or genetic test. its like an astrological classification system, groupings of traits. I consider it garbage. Yes its useful to work in teams but some of the best scientists of all time were renegades and paid dearly for it and its groupthink people that advocate the need to work with other scientists. collaboration is great but if you believe in your ideas you pursue truth. there are just as many people collaborating in wrong ideas as there are renegades with wrong ideas. in the end has no bearing on truth. I took advanced math my whole life and I wasnt like this at 12 so give the boy some kudos. I have extreme skepticism about what his parents have said because where would a one year old hear about volume??? especially with nonmath parents. doesnt mean he wasnt doing calculations in his head at one but this idea that he could verbalize what he was doing at one, this I meet with skepticism. that they didnt know he was special? thats silly and incredulous. from piecing together what he said, how he was (mis)treated by teachers, he was a very bright kid who showed his intelligence early on but whose true talent emerged later.  Creativity and intelligence and perserverance takes you far, sounds like he has at least two, good luck to him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, the reason we have aspbergers is because of authors insistence that one must be social according to a norm.  I guess the ideas about freedom and personality mean nothing here. Who determines what normal social behavior is? I dont think this is doable except in extreme cases, genuine resistance to social interaction, not people who have established connections with family but are insular. Almost all people establish connections with family. deeply autistic people have trouble doing even this. the classical autism. I think half of all scientists would be diagnosed on the spectrum, its arbitrary. theres no neurological or genetic test. its like an astrological classification system, groupings of traits. I consider it garbage. Yes its useful to work in teams but some of the best scientists of all time were renegades and paid dearly for it and its groupthink people that advocate the need to work with other scientists. collaboration is great but if you believe in your ideas you pursue truth. there are just as many people collaborating in wrong ideas as there are renegades with wrong ideas. in the end has no bearing on truth. I took advanced math my whole life and I wasnt like this at 12 so give the boy some kudos. I have extreme skepticism about what his parents have said because where would a one year old hear about volume??? especially with nonmath parents. doesnt mean he wasnt doing calculations in his head at one but this idea that he could verbalize what he was doing at one, this I meet with skepticism. that they didnt know he was special? thats silly and incredulous. from piecing together what he said, how he was (mis)treated by teachers, he was a very bright kid who showed his intelligence early on but whose true talent emerged later.  Creativity and intelligence and perserverance takes you far, sounds like he has at least two, good luck to him.</p>
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		<title>By: kaller</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/boy-genius/comment-page-1/#comment-31913</link>
		<dc:creator>kaller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 04:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My heart went out to his incredulous mother who posted a short question from Jacob out of sheer exasperation. Of course they knew he was brilliant, but if you look at interviews they have kindly given, they just knew in their hearts that he was special. The original post from his mother was a heartfelt plea for help. It was like she was saying &quot;What on earth is he talking about? It sounds important.  We know he is special but can someone just give us some feedback?&quot; They already knew that he talk himself Braille just for fun, at age one. The museum anecdote where he answered correctly a question about the shape of Phobos and Deimos by reasoning from first principles. From first principles I repeat. This is a three year old with the crystal clear physical intuitions of Richard Feynman. Maturity be damned, this is incisive clear simplicity with a faithful attention to accuracy and thoroughness. Well it was important, and it remains so. The popular press picked up on that Einstein nonsense, but that was not Jacobs interpretation, if you look closely at the facts. He was simply commenting on feasible extensions of special relativity math. He was simply saying that tachyons are such are easily accommodated into special relativity by some trivial extensions, it was a throw away comment, you can see from the way he said it that he was not committing to it as a new theory, perhaps he was put up to that anyway. He could not have realised the full import and potency of comments in that arena in the public imagination, but there are adults who do. Hence when you Google Jacob now all that Einsteinian cr*p comes up. But his comments on Big Bang theory brought tears to my eyes. I love the simple clear and insightful way he reasons about carbon abundances. He did that himself, he did not read that in a book. This is not a fellow who tosses symbols around carelessly, this is a young man who loves the numbers, knows and trusts exactly how he uses his math, and has a real feel for physics as well. If Jacob says that the carbon doesn&#039;t add up, then it is because he calculated it and the carbon didn&#039;t add up. If he is wrong it is only because there is something else that he doesn&#039;t know, but you can bet your bottom dollar that it will take a university professor to help with that. Because he is young, he does not have the emotional commitment to a life time of work on wrong theories. He is uniquely qualified to take a fresh look. Kudos Jacob.  I hope he keeps posting. I like the way he broke down multiplication into grids of intersecting lines, and reassembled the multiplication visually using an algebraic approach. That one Youtube video alone should help me to help scores of adult learners to improve their numeracy tests. Well done Jacob. Keep posting. I loved your post on Eigen theory too. You went quite fast for mere mortals but that&#039;s what is so great about having it on Youtube. Anyway I followed it OK, and I hope that you can find time in the future to discuss more stuff with us as time goes on, not just ripping through the math. 
As far as Aspergers, well if that is what you get with it, then I want some. If Jacob has a unique mutation that concerns the way that his brain and especially memory operates, then bring on the X men. Aspergers is related to ion channel gating in synapses, whereas Jacob seems to have more than just exceptional memory, his brain has a more sophisticated computational capability than most of us, and also a much better intuitive capability for science. Any fool can see that, but it takes an exceptional fool to put that down.
What I love about him most is his humble middle class origins and God fearing loving and home schooling parents. I love the fact that the mark of true genius is that you teach yourself. Everything. I feel honoured to have Jacob explain stuff to me, as we all should. I for one hope he continues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My heart went out to his incredulous mother who posted a short question from Jacob out of sheer exasperation. Of course they knew he was brilliant, but if you look at interviews they have kindly given, they just knew in their hearts that he was special. The original post from his mother was a heartfelt plea for help. It was like she was saying &#8220;What on earth is he talking about? It sounds important.  We know he is special but can someone just give us some feedback?&#8221; They already knew that he talk himself Braille just for fun, at age one. The museum anecdote where he answered correctly a question about the shape of Phobos and Deimos by reasoning from first principles. From first principles I repeat. This is a three year old with the crystal clear physical intuitions of Richard Feynman. Maturity be damned, this is incisive clear simplicity with a faithful attention to accuracy and thoroughness. Well it was important, and it remains so. The popular press picked up on that Einstein nonsense, but that was not Jacobs interpretation, if you look closely at the facts. He was simply commenting on feasible extensions of special relativity math. He was simply saying that tachyons are such are easily accommodated into special relativity by some trivial extensions, it was a throw away comment, you can see from the way he said it that he was not committing to it as a new theory, perhaps he was put up to that anyway. He could not have realised the full import and potency of comments in that arena in the public imagination, but there are adults who do. Hence when you Google Jacob now all that Einsteinian cr*p comes up. But his comments on Big Bang theory brought tears to my eyes. I love the simple clear and insightful way he reasons about carbon abundances. He did that himself, he did not read that in a book. This is not a fellow who tosses symbols around carelessly, this is a young man who loves the numbers, knows and trusts exactly how he uses his math, and has a real feel for physics as well. If Jacob says that the carbon doesn&#8217;t add up, then it is because he calculated it and the carbon didn&#8217;t add up. If he is wrong it is only because there is something else that he doesn&#8217;t know, but you can bet your bottom dollar that it will take a university professor to help with that. Because he is young, he does not have the emotional commitment to a life time of work on wrong theories. He is uniquely qualified to take a fresh look. Kudos Jacob.  I hope he keeps posting. I like the way he broke down multiplication into grids of intersecting lines, and reassembled the multiplication visually using an algebraic approach. That one Youtube video alone should help me to help scores of adult learners to improve their numeracy tests. Well done Jacob. Keep posting. I loved your post on Eigen theory too. You went quite fast for mere mortals but that&#8217;s what is so great about having it on Youtube. Anyway I followed it OK, and I hope that you can find time in the future to discuss more stuff with us as time goes on, not just ripping through the math.<br />
As far as Aspergers, well if that is what you get with it, then I want some. If Jacob has a unique mutation that concerns the way that his brain and especially memory operates, then bring on the X men. Aspergers is related to ion channel gating in synapses, whereas Jacob seems to have more than just exceptional memory, his brain has a more sophisticated computational capability than most of us, and also a much better intuitive capability for science. Any fool can see that, but it takes an exceptional fool to put that down.<br />
What I love about him most is his humble middle class origins and God fearing loving and home schooling parents. I love the fact that the mark of true genius is that you teach yourself. Everything. I feel honoured to have Jacob explain stuff to me, as we all should. I for one hope he continues.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeW</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2011 20:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Enzo: &quot;And it’s just nonsense to say a 12 year old grasping calculus is trivial. There are plenty of college students that can’t do calculus, let alone intuitively.&quot;

There are plenty of college students and adults who can&#039;t do a lot of things. Some of that is due to raw ability, some aptitude, application and the quality of the education. 

The typical US student does a lot of math at a much later stage in high school than occurs in other western countries - much of it even deferred to college level. If you&#039;ve got aptitude and willing teachers better than average, you can easily tackle this material 5 years ahead of the (non-US) curriculum slated for the average student. Even that does not automatically place you amongst the front-runners of a tertiary mathematics class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Enzo: &#8220;And it’s just nonsense to say a 12 year old grasping calculus is trivial. There are plenty of college students that can’t do calculus, let alone intuitively.&#8221;</p>
<p>There are plenty of college students and adults who can&#8217;t do a lot of things. Some of that is due to raw ability, some aptitude, application and the quality of the education. </p>
<p>The typical US student does a lot of math at a much later stage in high school than occurs in other western countries &#8211; much of it even deferred to college level. If you&#8217;ve got aptitude and willing teachers better than average, you can easily tackle this material 5 years ahead of the (non-US) curriculum slated for the average student. Even that does not automatically place you amongst the front-runners of a tertiary mathematics class.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 00:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would echo superdewa&#039;s and others&#039; comments about not expecting mathematical prowess solely based on a diagnosis of Asperger&#039;s syndrome - like any group of individuals I am sure there is a range of aptitudes (and deficits).  Perhaps the &quot;Restricted, repetitive, and stereotyped patterns of behavior, interests, and activities&quot; included in the diagnostic criteria promote remarkable accomplishments in some narrow area, but it wouldn&#039;t necessarily have to be mathematics.

I would also point out that aside from the impairment in language development, the clinical criteria for Asperger&#039;s and Autistic disorders are very similar:

http://www.firstsigns.org/screening/DSM4.htm#AS

I therefore think it is a bit hasty to assume that Asperger&#039;s disorder is a distinct entity neurobiologically from autism, as Steve suggests.  A quick Pubmed search suggests that in the rare situations where a genetic basis for an ASD is known, you can see family members presenting both with an Asperger&#039;s and autistic phenotype:

PMID: 20162629

Hopefully this &quot;boy genius&quot; will be able to develop his mathematical abilities into a fruitful career, despite whatever social difficulties he has related to his Asperger&#039;s diagnosis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would echo superdewa&#8217;s and others&#8217; comments about not expecting mathematical prowess solely based on a diagnosis of Asperger&#8217;s syndrome &#8211; like any group of individuals I am sure there is a range of aptitudes (and deficits).  Perhaps the &#8220;Restricted, repetitive, and stereotyped patterns of behavior, interests, and activities&#8221; included in the diagnostic criteria promote remarkable accomplishments in some narrow area, but it wouldn&#8217;t necessarily have to be mathematics.</p>
<p>I would also point out that aside from the impairment in language development, the clinical criteria for Asperger&#8217;s and Autistic disorders are very similar:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.firstsigns.org/screening/DSM4.htm#AS" rel="nofollow">http://www.firstsigns.org/screening/DSM4.htm#AS</a></p>
<p>I therefore think it is a bit hasty to assume that Asperger&#8217;s disorder is a distinct entity neurobiologically from autism, as Steve suggests.  A quick Pubmed search suggests that in the rare situations where a genetic basis for an ASD is known, you can see family members presenting both with an Asperger&#8217;s and autistic phenotype:</p>
<p>PMID: 20162629</p>
<p>Hopefully this &#8220;boy genius&#8221; will be able to develop his mathematical abilities into a fruitful career, despite whatever social difficulties he has related to his Asperger&#8217;s diagnosis.</p>
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		<title>By: Nullifidian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nullifidian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Apr 2011 16:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the risk of sounding condescending, I&#039;m bothered by these &quot;genius child&quot; stories, particularly when they deal with mathematical aptitude, because it reinforces the myth that there is just something &quot;special&quot; about math and you either have the aptitude for it or you don&#039;t. Now, there may be something to this kid&#039;s intuitive grasp of math, and the parents may have picked up on it, then the kid decided to apply himself to this subject that got him all this agreeable attention. It is the application of effort that is primarily responsible for musical aptitude, mathematical aptitude, etc.

Fundamentally, there is no reason why a 12 year-old of average intelligence cannot understand Calculus. The main reason people have problems with Calculus is just that they haven&#039;t properly been taught the underlying concepts. Leonhard Euler had the solution over a century ago when he said that problems in Calculus were most often due to a weak grasp of algebra. And I would extend his insight by saying that problems in algebra are due to a weak grasp of basic arithmetic. The problems rarely manifest themselves immediately, but poor early training in these subjects will cause problems later on when, thanks to government-mandated standards of &#039;progress&#039;, it is impossible to remediate the students. Ideally, we&#039;d have people whose mathematical expertise is beyond question to teach elementary school children, but instead we direct the least intelligent of education majors to elementary education under the delusion that &quot;anyone&quot; can properly teach the basics of math and English grammar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the risk of sounding condescending, I&#8217;m bothered by these &#8220;genius child&#8221; stories, particularly when they deal with mathematical aptitude, because it reinforces the myth that there is just something &#8220;special&#8221; about math and you either have the aptitude for it or you don&#8217;t. Now, there may be something to this kid&#8217;s intuitive grasp of math, and the parents may have picked up on it, then the kid decided to apply himself to this subject that got him all this agreeable attention. It is the application of effort that is primarily responsible for musical aptitude, mathematical aptitude, etc.</p>
<p>Fundamentally, there is no reason why a 12 year-old of average intelligence cannot understand Calculus. The main reason people have problems with Calculus is just that they haven&#8217;t properly been taught the underlying concepts. Leonhard Euler had the solution over a century ago when he said that problems in Calculus were most often due to a weak grasp of algebra. And I would extend his insight by saying that problems in algebra are due to a weak grasp of basic arithmetic. The problems rarely manifest themselves immediately, but poor early training in these subjects will cause problems later on when, thanks to government-mandated standards of &#8216;progress&#8217;, it is impossible to remediate the students. Ideally, we&#8217;d have people whose mathematical expertise is beyond question to teach elementary school children, but instead we direct the least intelligent of education majors to elementary education under the delusion that &#8220;anyone&#8221; can properly teach the basics of math and English grammar.</p>
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		<title>By: SARA</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Apr 2011 03:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read a story (I can&#039;t remember where or I would link to it) about a young man who was very high IQ.  I think the claim was that he had the highest recorded IQ.
But he could not stay in college.  He was kicked out of one school and then couldn&#039;t manage to get organized about funding etc.  
Essentially his issues were all around the fact that he couldn&#039;t manage social interactions.  He couldn&#039;t navigate in our world.  
I wonder how often this happens?  
Where genius people are just turned into social outcasts and their potential and societies potential benefit from their intellect is just lost.  
It seems like we should have way to create some inclusiveness for their way of life.  I don&#039;t have any idea how, but even some practical help would be beneficial.  

As Steve says, if you cannot communicate with the world around you, the benefits of your intellect are lost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read a story (I can&#8217;t remember where or I would link to it) about a young man who was very high IQ.  I think the claim was that he had the highest recorded IQ.<br />
But he could not stay in college.  He was kicked out of one school and then couldn&#8217;t manage to get organized about funding etc.<br />
Essentially his issues were all around the fact that he couldn&#8217;t manage social interactions.  He couldn&#8217;t navigate in our world.<br />
I wonder how often this happens?<br />
Where genius people are just turned into social outcasts and their potential and societies potential benefit from their intellect is just lost.<br />
It seems like we should have way to create some inclusiveness for their way of life.  I don&#8217;t have any idea how, but even some practical help would be beneficial.  </p>
<p>As Steve says, if you cannot communicate with the world around you, the benefits of your intellect are lost.</p>
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		<title>By: ccbowers</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Apr 2011 15:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enzo-

I understand that you like the idea of intellectual ability getting some attention for a change, but this really isn&#039;t a positive sort of attention from my perspective.  

Throwing kids in front of a camera to show off their skills/abilities, be it athletic (&quot;musclebound toddler&quot;), or intellectual (&quot;boy genius #357&quot;), or asthetic (beauty pagents) always has a freak show vibe that is distasteful to me.  These are children and throwing them in front of a camera like this is really not fair, and I&#039;m not sure how this attention can be a good thing (for the kid or anyone else).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enzo-</p>
<p>I understand that you like the idea of intellectual ability getting some attention for a change, but this really isn&#8217;t a positive sort of attention from my perspective.  </p>
<p>Throwing kids in front of a camera to show off their skills/abilities, be it athletic (&#8220;musclebound toddler&#8221;), or intellectual (&#8220;boy genius #357&#8243;), or asthetic (beauty pagents) always has a freak show vibe that is distasteful to me.  These are children and throwing them in front of a camera like this is really not fair, and I&#8217;m not sure how this attention can be a good thing (for the kid or anyone else).</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Apr 2011 14:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi i am wondering if you have some input on our families situation?
We have a 12 year old son. At the age of 2 he was diagnosed with ASD. He presented in the typical way, issues with hearing, behaviour , loss of language and associated rages, obsessional behaviours, sensory sensitivities etc.
We were lucky enough to have him start ABA therapy  and speech and social therapy by the age of 2, this fit him very well and he was able to &quot;assimilate&quot;fairly successfully into mainstream  school to the point where except for his social diffiulties, you would not be able to identify him as having an ASD.
The confusing thing is that initially he came across as a typical child with autism but now would probably be more consistent with having Aspergers, to the point of being aware that he has differences and experiencing some depression and anxiety.
I have always been under the impression that aside from some common aspects, ASD and Aspergers are not the same.
Do you have an opinion at all?
thank you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi i am wondering if you have some input on our families situation?<br />
We have a 12 year old son. At the age of 2 he was diagnosed with ASD. He presented in the typical way, issues with hearing, behaviour , loss of language and associated rages, obsessional behaviours, sensory sensitivities etc.<br />
We were lucky enough to have him start ABA therapy  and speech and social therapy by the age of 2, this fit him very well and he was able to &#8220;assimilate&#8221;fairly successfully into mainstream  school to the point where except for his social diffiulties, you would not be able to identify him as having an ASD.<br />
The confusing thing is that initially he came across as a typical child with autism but now would probably be more consistent with having Aspergers, to the point of being aware that he has differences and experiencing some depression and anxiety.<br />
I have always been under the impression that aside from some common aspects, ASD and Aspergers are not the same.<br />
Do you have an opinion at all?<br />
thank you</p>
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		<title>By: Watcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Watcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2011 14:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pot, meet kettle. It&#039;s a blog post SBG. You want a dissertation about the in&#039;s and out&#039;s of this complex subject? Go look for something on pubmed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pot, meet kettle. It&#8217;s a blog post SBG. You want a dissertation about the in&#8217;s and out&#8217;s of this complex subject? Go look for something on pubmed.</p>
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