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		<title>By: timsta62</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Mar 2013 14:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ squatchy - you state, &quot;If Bigfoot is captured and put on display it proves evolution and Religions Laws, Rules and Regulations goes out the window.&quot;

How does it prove evolution? It does no such thing. This whole forum has been about Dr Ketchum&#039;s study of what is purported to be Sasquatch DNA. Her study analyzed both the mitochondrial [female] and nuclear [male] DNA. As a result, they concluded that the nuclear DNA was not from ANY KNOWN species. So obviously they compared the DNA with other species, including all the apes.

If evolution were fact, there would be no point in comparing DNA because it would always be in a state of readiness to change, or in an actual state of change, wouldn&#039;t it? Living things would always be in the process of changing, or preparing to change, into another form of life.

Show me where that is happening. I&#039;ll wager you can&#039;t. Why? Because DNA acts like a blueprint for the cell, ensuring its integrity. Where an error occurs in the genetic code [like 1 in 10 billion], disease or the growth of an appendage may occur. But there has never been found an instance where that error has worked to the advantage of the living creature. Rather the opposite has consistently been observed to be the case.

The facts show that DNA prevents organic evolution from happening, thankfully. You cannot cross any ape with any human, because, as I said in my previous post, their genetic makeups are too different for that to happen. Apes are not hominids, so, just as homo sapiens cannot procreate with them, neither can Sasquatches. According to Dr Ketchum, their DNA would not allow it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ squatchy &#8211; you state, &#8220;If Bigfoot is captured and put on display it proves evolution and Religions Laws, Rules and Regulations goes out the window.&#8221;</p>
<p>How does it prove evolution? It does no such thing. This whole forum has been about Dr Ketchum&#8217;s study of what is purported to be Sasquatch DNA. Her study analyzed both the mitochondrial [female] and nuclear [male] DNA. As a result, they concluded that the nuclear DNA was not from ANY KNOWN species. So obviously they compared the DNA with other species, including all the apes.</p>
<p>If evolution were fact, there would be no point in comparing DNA because it would always be in a state of readiness to change, or in an actual state of change, wouldn&#8217;t it? Living things would always be in the process of changing, or preparing to change, into another form of life.</p>
<p>Show me where that is happening. I&#8217;ll wager you can&#8217;t. Why? Because DNA acts like a blueprint for the cell, ensuring its integrity. Where an error occurs in the genetic code [like 1 in 10 billion], disease or the growth of an appendage may occur. But there has never been found an instance where that error has worked to the advantage of the living creature. Rather the opposite has consistently been observed to be the case.</p>
<p>The facts show that DNA prevents organic evolution from happening, thankfully. You cannot cross any ape with any human, because, as I said in my previous post, their genetic makeups are too different for that to happen. Apes are not hominids, so, just as homo sapiens cannot procreate with them, neither can Sasquatches. According to Dr Ketchum, their DNA would not allow it.</p>
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		<title>By: squatchy</title>
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		<dc:creator>squatchy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Mar 2013 07:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are just recently in a modern age for over 100 years with planes, trains and automobiles and many people think we have discovered every species here on Earth. Its barely over 100 years since we were rolling around by horse and wagon. We find thousands of new species in the ocean every year that we did not think existed or could exist. Most people are blind and naive who think Sasquatch could not exist into today&#039;s modern world. As the greedy human people moved into its territory the intelligent Sasquatch moved north to the millions of acres of untracked territory that rarely sees the likes of mankind. Growing up in the Great Northwest i heard of many credible accounts of Sasquatch sightings that not only put fear into the Indian Tribes hundreds of years ago but also the modern day Americans who camped and hiked in the woods. Human Beings are killers of their own who still fight wars and claim they are humane. Sasquatch does not kill its own and has seen the horrific deeds of Mankind from the corner of the forest for thousands of years. In my opinion they are a half breed species from the hominids that went their own way due to the continued killing greed and brutality of Mankind. Sasquatch is a peace full creature that needs to be left alone in the wilderness and trust me the National Forest Service protects Sasquatch at all costs. Why you would think... Its quite simple really... Once the Government proves evidence the creature actually exists crazy hunters around the world will hunt Sasquatch out of existence. The government has several species of Sasquatch on ice as well as Alien beings. Why is this all kept on the down low...CONTROL OF MANKIND...Religion controls Mankind and is the biggest business on Planet Earth. Dis prove Adam &amp; Eve and divine intervention and all hell will break lose when Aliens and Bigfoot are let out of the bag. Remember this Humans...If Bigfoot is captured and put on display it proves evolution and Religions Laws, Rules and Regulations goes out the window.The religious right wing is barely holding onto souls with all the evolution evidence of humans from apes in the National museums. Every time someone find or kills a Bigfoot by accident or for personal gain The National Forest Service black ops Team is on the seen with in hours and disposes of the evidence. What would you dis believer&#039;s suggest we do when the government gives up the goods... Put the gentle giant in the zoo for Gods sake so we can demean them like we do all the other animals. If you can actually catch the Stealthy Beast you would be considered an Elite hunter of super natural forces that would have to be stealthy quite in the dark to get even close. Not only is Sasquatch a 9ft Ninja with night vision it rarely comes out during the day. Sasquatch has navigated the wicked mountain terrain for thousands of years and set up many defense mechanisms and escape routes through under ground tunnels,caves and caverns that mankind knows nothing about. Sasquatch may also have a six sense when you get with in a mile of it. Trust me its not an accident when you see one they are curious as well and and most of the time just likes to play games with the crazy humans as it did with the Indians for centuries. Sure there is lots of hoaxes since the 70&#039;s and still many to this day but how to we explain away sighting, folklore and cave pictures thousands of years ago. Several states to date have laws protecting the gentle giant and signs posted with fines if you kill one. Think i am joking... Research it yourself.  In closing leave the Awesome Gentle Giant alone and keep it protected for ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are just recently in a modern age for over 100 years with planes, trains and automobiles and many people think we have discovered every species here on Earth. Its barely over 100 years since we were rolling around by horse and wagon. We find thousands of new species in the ocean every year that we did not think existed or could exist. Most people are blind and naive who think Sasquatch could not exist into today&#8217;s modern world. As the greedy human people moved into its territory the intelligent Sasquatch moved north to the millions of acres of untracked territory that rarely sees the likes of mankind. Growing up in the Great Northwest i heard of many credible accounts of Sasquatch sightings that not only put fear into the Indian Tribes hundreds of years ago but also the modern day Americans who camped and hiked in the woods. Human Beings are killers of their own who still fight wars and claim they are humane. Sasquatch does not kill its own and has seen the horrific deeds of Mankind from the corner of the forest for thousands of years. In my opinion they are a half breed species from the hominids that went their own way due to the continued killing greed and brutality of Mankind. Sasquatch is a peace full creature that needs to be left alone in the wilderness and trust me the National Forest Service protects Sasquatch at all costs. Why you would think&#8230; Its quite simple really&#8230; Once the Government proves evidence the creature actually exists crazy hunters around the world will hunt Sasquatch out of existence. The government has several species of Sasquatch on ice as well as Alien beings. Why is this all kept on the down low&#8230;CONTROL OF MANKIND&#8230;Religion controls Mankind and is the biggest business on Planet Earth. Dis prove Adam &amp; Eve and divine intervention and all hell will break lose when Aliens and Bigfoot are let out of the bag. Remember this Humans&#8230;If Bigfoot is captured and put on display it proves evolution and Religions Laws, Rules and Regulations goes out the window.The religious right wing is barely holding onto souls with all the evolution evidence of humans from apes in the National museums. Every time someone find or kills a Bigfoot by accident or for personal gain The National Forest Service black ops Team is on the seen with in hours and disposes of the evidence. What would you dis believer&#8217;s suggest we do when the government gives up the goods&#8230; Put the gentle giant in the zoo for Gods sake so we can demean them like we do all the other animals. If you can actually catch the Stealthy Beast you would be considered an Elite hunter of super natural forces that would have to be stealthy quite in the dark to get even close. Not only is Sasquatch a 9ft Ninja with night vision it rarely comes out during the day. Sasquatch has navigated the wicked mountain terrain for thousands of years and set up many defense mechanisms and escape routes through under ground tunnels,caves and caverns that mankind knows nothing about. Sasquatch may also have a six sense when you get with in a mile of it. Trust me its not an accident when you see one they are curious as well and and most of the time just likes to play games with the crazy humans as it did with the Indians for centuries. Sure there is lots of hoaxes since the 70&#8242;s and still many to this day but how to we explain away sighting, folklore and cave pictures thousands of years ago. Several states to date have laws protecting the gentle giant and signs posted with fines if you kill one. Think i am joking&#8230; Research it yourself.  In closing leave the Awesome Gentle Giant alone and keep it protected for ever.</p>
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		<title>By: timsta62</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Mar 2013 13:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@panvy. &quot; NO, they are not related to humans . They are a ape species , nothing more.&quot;

There are several reasons why your assertion is false. To begin with, there is the observational fact that, in the Patterson-Gimlin footage, &#039;Patty&#039; is seen walking upright as a human does, with a human gait, not the outward bent-legged ambling gait of any of the apes.

I agree that the footage is genuine, the sinews at the base of the right arm as it swings and the hernia bulge in the right thigh upon contact with the ground not things that could be replicated in a man-made suit back in 1967.

But what you have to understand is that Dr Ketchum&#039;s analyses involved 110 samples and, according to Jim McClarin on crytomundo.com,  &quot;she was very thorough in explaining what steps were taken to insure quality results, everything from washing and rinsing samples and repeat tests to contracting seven independent laboratories to run tests on the samples without divulging their supposed source to see if they got concurring results.&quot; He adds, &quot;The samples she tested were collected by field researchers who either stated or suspected they came from a Bigfoot/Sasquatch creature. They came from 14 states and two Canadian provinces and included hair, blood, saliva, and one piece of skin with hair attached.&quot;

The conclusions she reached do NOT allow for any possibility of Sasquatch being derived from apes. The mitochondrial DNA is passed down from the mother in all cases, and according to Dr Ketchum, was found to be modern human [homo sapiens]. The nuclear DNA [male side] she claims is from an unknown hominid [that excludes apes, who, while they are hominoid, are not hominins or hominids].

Humans cannot reproduce with apes [chimpanzees, gorillas, orangutans], their genetic makeups being sufficiently different to prevent that from happening, thankfully.

I have my own theory as to the advent of Sasquatch, but it isn&#039;t one that I would choose to share on this forum.

Nonetheless, they do exist, and it is obvious to me that they are hominids; not pans, not pongos, not gorillax3s, and not homo sapiens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@panvy. &#8221; NO, they are not related to humans . They are a ape species , nothing more.&#8221;</p>
<p>There are several reasons why your assertion is false. To begin with, there is the observational fact that, in the Patterson-Gimlin footage, &#8216;Patty&#8217; is seen walking upright as a human does, with a human gait, not the outward bent-legged ambling gait of any of the apes.</p>
<p>I agree that the footage is genuine, the sinews at the base of the right arm as it swings and the hernia bulge in the right thigh upon contact with the ground not things that could be replicated in a man-made suit back in 1967.</p>
<p>But what you have to understand is that Dr Ketchum&#8217;s analyses involved 110 samples and, according to Jim McClarin on crytomundo.com,  &#8220;she was very thorough in explaining what steps were taken to insure quality results, everything from washing and rinsing samples and repeat tests to contracting seven independent laboratories to run tests on the samples without divulging their supposed source to see if they got concurring results.&#8221; He adds, &#8220;The samples she tested were collected by field researchers who either stated or suspected they came from a Bigfoot/Sasquatch creature. They came from 14 states and two Canadian provinces and included hair, blood, saliva, and one piece of skin with hair attached.&#8221;</p>
<p>The conclusions she reached do NOT allow for any possibility of Sasquatch being derived from apes. The mitochondrial DNA is passed down from the mother in all cases, and according to Dr Ketchum, was found to be modern human [homo sapiens]. The nuclear DNA [male side] she claims is from an unknown hominid [that excludes apes, who, while they are hominoid, are not hominins or hominids].</p>
<p>Humans cannot reproduce with apes [chimpanzees, gorillas, orangutans], their genetic makeups being sufficiently different to prevent that from happening, thankfully.</p>
<p>I have my own theory as to the advent of Sasquatch, but it isn&#8217;t one that I would choose to share on this forum.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, they do exist, and it is obvious to me that they are hominids; not pans, not pongos, not gorillax3s, and not homo sapiens.</p>
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		<title>By: panvy</title>
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		<dc:creator>panvy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2013 02:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the people that think that bigfoot is fake that have posted on this site . Sit back and really think about what you are claiming . Fact - Yes there is some people out there doing  bigfoot pranks . Fact - there is way too many reports of people seeing a bigfoot type of creature that  have actually seen something other than a man and or bear .  Fact - for the people that thinks its the witnesses  imagination  or bad lighting , ect , or come up with some useless excuse  you need to spend some time in the woods and think outside of the box . For the DNA test that was done on a so-called bigfoot samples of hair .Why would you ever give  it to a scientist that has had so many complaints  against her in the past on other DNA tests ? And obviously she took so long with the outcome !  I would never put any faith in anything she has to say ! Obviously more DNA tests should be done by other scientists on the sample  ! You cant just go off of one scientists opinions or findings on those types of tests ! NO, they are not related to humans  . They are a ape species , nothing more . For the people that think a bigfoot cant survive in the wilderness due to food , again you need to sit back and really think about what your saying . If a black bear and a grizzly bear can survive in the woods  that weight up to or over  1000 lbs  , then a bigfoot surely can . The proof is right in front of you due to the Patterson film and people still don&#039;t believe . Well you have that proof  due to the Patterson film and the bottom jaw bone of the giant ape Gigantipithicaus . The Patterson  film is not a person in a suit . There is technology  out there and once used correctly it shows that it Is NOT a man in a suit . Everyone has there beliefs and opinions , but it is time for the truth to be know .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the people that think that bigfoot is fake that have posted on this site . Sit back and really think about what you are claiming . Fact &#8211; Yes there is some people out there doing  bigfoot pranks . Fact &#8211; there is way too many reports of people seeing a bigfoot type of creature that  have actually seen something other than a man and or bear .  Fact &#8211; for the people that thinks its the witnesses  imagination  or bad lighting , ect , or come up with some useless excuse  you need to spend some time in the woods and think outside of the box . For the DNA test that was done on a so-called bigfoot samples of hair .Why would you ever give  it to a scientist that has had so many complaints  against her in the past on other DNA tests ? And obviously she took so long with the outcome !  I would never put any faith in anything she has to say ! Obviously more DNA tests should be done by other scientists on the sample  ! You cant just go off of one scientists opinions or findings on those types of tests ! NO, they are not related to humans  . They are a ape species , nothing more . For the people that think a bigfoot cant survive in the wilderness due to food , again you need to sit back and really think about what your saying . If a black bear and a grizzly bear can survive in the woods  that weight up to or over  1000 lbs  , then a bigfoot surely can . The proof is right in front of you due to the Patterson film and people still don&#8217;t believe . Well you have that proof  due to the Patterson film and the bottom jaw bone of the giant ape Gigantipithicaus . The Patterson  film is not a person in a suit . There is technology  out there and once used correctly it shows that it Is NOT a man in a suit . Everyone has there beliefs and opinions , but it is time for the truth to be know .</p>
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		<title>By: Bronze Dog</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 21:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I would only be slightly surprised if this argument is eventually used by someone in the bigfoot community (that blurriness is an actual feature of bigfoot), similar to the way that “The Onion” articles are occasionally treated as legitimate articles by unknowing people.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Years ago on the JREF forums, I had the pleasure of reading a (probably mentally unstable) troll arguing that all photos of Bigfoot are blurry because bigfeet are supernatural aliens who shapeshift 10,000 times a second. They&#039;re &quot;obviously&quot; supernatural because there&#039;s no evidence of a natural animal. He also posted a lot of photos of nothing in the woods in the dark, claiming that various shadows/blurry shapes/areas of negative space were bigfeet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I would only be slightly surprised if this argument is eventually used by someone in the bigfoot community (that blurriness is an actual feature of bigfoot), similar to the way that “The Onion” articles are occasionally treated as legitimate articles by unknowing people.</p></blockquote>
<p>Years ago on the JREF forums, I had the pleasure of reading a (probably mentally unstable) troll arguing that all photos of Bigfoot are blurry because bigfeet are supernatural aliens who shapeshift 10,000 times a second. They&#8217;re &#8220;obviously&#8221; supernatural because there&#8217;s no evidence of a natural animal. He also posted a lot of photos of nothing in the woods in the dark, claiming that various shadows/blurry shapes/areas of negative space were bigfeet.</p>
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		<title>By: ccbowers</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 20:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or &quot;People&#039;s Daily,&quot; a Chinese newspaper thinking that Kim Jong Un was really awarded &#039;the sexiest man alive&#039;, and writing a long article about it just recently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or &#8220;People&#8217;s Daily,&#8221; a Chinese newspaper thinking that Kim Jong Un was really awarded &#8216;the sexiest man alive&#8217;, and writing a long article about it just recently.</p>
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		<title>By: nybgrus</title>
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		<dc:creator>nybgrus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 20:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes indeed. Unknowing people like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/29/fooled-by-the-onion-8-most-embarrassing-fails.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;US senators, foreign diplomats, and the NY Times&lt;/a&gt; and unknowing corporations like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thewrap.com/tv/article/fox-news-site-posts-satiricial-onion-obama-story-amid-real-news-22840&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Faux News&lt;/a&gt;.

Though I reckon that is more an example of motivated reasoning, rather than ignorance…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes indeed. Unknowing people like <a href="http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/29/fooled-by-the-onion-8-most-embarrassing-fails.html" rel="nofollow">US senators, foreign diplomats, and the NY Times</a> and unknowing corporations like <a href="http://www.thewrap.com/tv/article/fox-news-site-posts-satiricial-onion-obama-story-amid-real-news-22840" rel="nofollow">Faux News</a>.</p>
<p>Though I reckon that is more an example of motivated reasoning, rather than ignorance…</p>
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		<title>By: ccbowers</title>
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		<dc:creator>ccbowers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 19:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@nybgrus

Very nice.  I like it.  I would only be slightly surprised if this argument is eventually used  by someone in the bigfoot community (that blurriness is an actual feature of bigfoot), similar to the way that &quot;The Onion&quot; articles are occasionally treated as legitimate articles by unknowing people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@nybgrus</p>
<p>Very nice.  I like it.  I would only be slightly surprised if this argument is eventually used  by someone in the bigfoot community (that blurriness is an actual feature of bigfoot), similar to the way that &#8220;The Onion&#8221; articles are occasionally treated as legitimate articles by unknowing people.</p>
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		<title>By: nybgrus</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 18:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ccbowers:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.snorgtees.com/t-shirts/new/bigfoot-is-blurry&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Randomly came across this&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ccbowers:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.snorgtees.com/t-shirts/new/bigfoot-is-blurry" rel="nofollow">Randomly came across this</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: nybgrus</title>
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		<dc:creator>nybgrus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BJ - he actually does &lt;a href=&quot;http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/about/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;use the appellation&lt;/a&gt; here, but fair enough it is not particularly prominent. 

And of course I don&#039;t think Dr. Novella would care much, nor is it really that big a deal. I was merely pointing out that while an innocent and completely inconsequential oversight can easily explain it, such a tactic is indeed used around these parts as an ad hominem argument. And for some reason, the rest of the post just struck me as being in line with such use. I could be completely wrong and will be happy to admit it if that is the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BJ &#8211; he actually does <a href="http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/about/" rel="nofollow">use the appellation</a> here, but fair enough it is not particularly prominent. </p>
<p>And of course I don&#8217;t think Dr. Novella would care much, nor is it really that big a deal. I was merely pointing out that while an innocent and completely inconsequential oversight can easily explain it, such a tactic is indeed used around these parts as an ad hominem argument. And for some reason, the rest of the post just struck me as being in line with such use. I could be completely wrong and will be happy to admit it if that is the case.</p>
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