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		<title>By: daijiyobu</title>
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		<dc:creator>daijiyobu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 02:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes. Blinding it should result in results no better than chance, or no worse than results indicating the subject&#039;s willful or participatory interpretation of what a &#039;good&#039; result should be for the announced material.   It would be interesting to take the same material, blinded, and announce it to the patient in two different ways, one with implications which are &#039;good&#039; and one &#039;bad.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. Blinding it should result in results no better than chance, or no worse than results indicating the subject&#8217;s willful or participatory interpretation of what a &#8216;good&#8217; result should be for the announced material.   It would be interesting to take the same material, blinded, and announce it to the patient in two different ways, one with implications which are &#8216;good&#8217; and one &#8216;bad.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: psamathos</title>
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		<dc:creator>psamathos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 02:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When they were testing the different sweetener products, what he really should have done is put each product into identical containers of equal weight and given them to him in random order.  But then I guess that wouldn&#039;t work for his video because the &quot;effect&quot; would go away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When they were testing the different sweetener products, what he really should have done is put each product into identical containers of equal weight and given them to him in random order.  But then I guess that wouldn&#8217;t work for his video because the &#8220;effect&#8221; would go away.</p>
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		<title>By: dahliyani</title>
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		<dc:creator>dahliyani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 10:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh man, what a terrible video clip. The icing on the cake was the remote testing where they asked about famous people. First Gandhi, and the subject&#039;s response indicated Gandhi was a good man. Hitler, bad man. Kevin Trudeau, good man!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh man, what a terrible video clip. The icing on the cake was the remote testing where they asked about famous people. First Gandhi, and the subject&#8217;s response indicated Gandhi was a good man. Hitler, bad man. Kevin Trudeau, good man!</p>
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		<title>By: DLC</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 05:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not very good woo. not even the barest mention of quantum physics. But as quackery and pseudoscience goes, it&#039;s right up there with Reiki and TT. 
Now back to adjusting my meridians . . . I think the waistband of my shorts is showing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not very good woo. not even the barest mention of quantum physics. But as quackery and pseudoscience goes, it&#8217;s right up there with Reiki and TT.<br />
Now back to adjusting my meridians . . . I think the waistband of my shorts is showing.</p>
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		<title>By: Gololo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gololo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 20:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to &quot;Freddy the Pig&quot; and &quot;daijiyobu&quot; for making this point clear. Now I am sure of the difference between the Kinesiology science, and the &quot;woo-woo&quot; use of the name to trick people into remedies that won&#039;t ever work, aka as &quot;Applied Kinesiology&quot;.

PS. &#039;daijiyobu&#039; sounds soooo Japanese, hahaha~  ???????????!^_^;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to &#8220;Freddy the Pig&#8221; and &#8220;daijiyobu&#8221; for making this point clear. Now I am sure of the difference between the Kinesiology science, and the &#8220;woo-woo&#8221; use of the name to trick people into remedies that won&#8217;t ever work, aka as &#8220;Applied Kinesiology&#8221;.</p>
<p>PS. &#8216;daijiyobu&#8217; sounds soooo Japanese, hahaha~  ???????????!^_^;</p>
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		<title>By: daijiyobu</title>
		<link>http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/applied-kinesiology-and-self-deception/comment-page-1/#comment-664</link>
		<dc:creator>daijiyobu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 16:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kinesiology simply means the study of movement / the science of movement.  

When I did my BA at CUNY-Lehman in Physical Education (yes I am a dumb jock, in that sense, though the department itself was by then called &quot;exercise and sport science;&quot; no I am not a dumb jock, I  graduated Summa Cum Laude and Phi Beta Kappa from Lehman College&#039;s honors program) the course I took was &quot;Biomechanics and Kinesiology.&quot;  

There was absolutely no woo-woo in that course.  It was biophysics basically, from the cellular generation of movement level to the large macroscopic organism level.

Regarding AK&#039;s origins, I once heard {and I&#039;ve never been able to clarify this rumor, yet this may reveal the &#039;mind f-ing&#039; [get my drift] that AK is all about} that something like AK was used by the British Special Services to interrogate WWII German prisoners -- something about &#039;the body doesn&#039;t lie.&#039; 

The king of AK, of course, is John Diamond, MD author of a book of that title (see http://www.amazon.com/Your-Body-Doesnt-John-Diamond/dp/0446358479).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kinesiology simply means the study of movement / the science of movement.  </p>
<p>When I did my BA at CUNY-Lehman in Physical Education (yes I am a dumb jock, in that sense, though the department itself was by then called &#8220;exercise and sport science;&#8221; no I am not a dumb jock, I  graduated Summa Cum Laude and Phi Beta Kappa from Lehman College&#8217;s honors program) the course I took was &#8220;Biomechanics and Kinesiology.&#8221;  </p>
<p>There was absolutely no woo-woo in that course.  It was biophysics basically, from the cellular generation of movement level to the large macroscopic organism level.</p>
<p>Regarding AK&#8217;s origins, I once heard {and I&#8217;ve never been able to clarify this rumor, yet this may reveal the &#8216;mind f-ing&#8217; [get my drift] that AK is all about} that something like AK was used by the British Special Services to interrogate WWII German prisoners &#8212; something about &#8216;the body doesn&#8217;t lie.&#8217; </p>
<p>The king of AK, of course, is John Diamond, MD author of a book of that title (see <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Your-Body-Doesnt-John-Diamond/dp/0446358479" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Your-Body-Doesnt-John-Diamond/dp/0446358479</a>).</p>
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		<title>By: Freddy the Pig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freddy the Pig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gololo - at the University of Calgary, and I assume at many other Universities, Kinesiology is a fancy word for whay used to be the Faculty of Phyisical Education.  I think the idea was to get away from the dumb jock image.  I don&#039;t know if it could really be called a science, but it is something that someone can get a legitmate degree in and can do actual research in - so I suppose just as some engineers do scienctific reasearch, so do some (non applied) Kinesiologists - therby allowing AK practiioners to sound &quot;sciency&quot;, by appropriating the name of something legitamate.

AK is used as a diagnositc tool in Emotional Freedom Therapy - surprise, surprise.  EFT is a regular carnival of woo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gololo &#8211; at the University of Calgary, and I assume at many other Universities, Kinesiology is a fancy word for whay used to be the Faculty of Phyisical Education.  I think the idea was to get away from the dumb jock image.  I don&#8217;t know if it could really be called a science, but it is something that someone can get a legitmate degree in and can do actual research in &#8211; so I suppose just as some engineers do scienctific reasearch, so do some (non applied) Kinesiologists &#8211; therby allowing AK practiioners to sound &#8220;sciency&#8221;, by appropriating the name of something legitamate.</p>
<p>AK is used as a diagnositc tool in Emotional Freedom Therapy &#8211; surprise, surprise.  EFT is a regular carnival of woo.</p>
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		<title>By: Gololo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gololo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 04:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is one thing that it is not clear to me. Since I am not, in any way, related with Medical Science, I am an Electrical Engineer, I am always sceptical when I hear some terms as &quot;kinesiology&quot;, because they sound like fake to me.
Usually, I check this words in the dictionary, wikipedia or some other source, but even some of them are biased and portrait many of these terms as &quot;sciences&quot; when they are not.
So my question for Steven (can I call you Steven?) is: Is kinesiology really a Science? From your article I understand that you believe AK is not (I think so too! Haha~), but what about the &quot;K&quot; part? Thank you.

PS. Please forgive my English, since I am not a native speaker. I try my best =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is one thing that it is not clear to me. Since I am not, in any way, related with Medical Science, I am an Electrical Engineer, I am always sceptical when I hear some terms as &#8220;kinesiology&#8221;, because they sound like fake to me.<br />
Usually, I check this words in the dictionary, wikipedia or some other source, but even some of them are biased and portrait many of these terms as &#8220;sciences&#8221; when they are not.<br />
So my question for Steven (can I call you Steven?) is: Is kinesiology really a Science? From your article I understand that you believe AK is not (I think so too! Haha~), but what about the &#8220;K&#8221; part? Thank you.</p>
<p>PS. Please forgive my English, since I am not a native speaker. I try my best =)</p>
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		<title>By: daijiyobu</title>
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		<dc:creator>daijiyobu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 02:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, I believe that commenter smperle is a former professor of mine from the University of Bridgeport College of Naturopathic Medicine [UBCNM]:  &quot;Stephen M. Perle&quot;  (http://www1bpt.bridgeport.edu/~perle/ ).

A fond memory: I remember Dr. Perle handing me Hyman&#039;s [?] criticism of AK (similar to http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/ideomotor.html) in fall 2000.

The funny thing is that here Perle is offering a critical view of AK...

while we were passing his office to pick up Goodheart&#039;s AK text that was required for a UBCNM &#039;manipulation&#039; course taught by Dr. Ferraro, who had the office next door!  

Reminds me of those two guys in the film Brazil fighting over that desk shared through a wall.  

I find Dr. Perle&#039;s action there both bold and absurd: it didn&#039;t begin my criticism of naturopathy...but it was important. It was bold because here is someone inside the College of Naturopathic Medicine [then] as an instructor criticizing the very pseudoscience crappola naturopathy finds no problem calling &quot;scientific medicine&quot; and &#039;able to survive scientific scrutiny.&#039; It was absurd because there&#039;s that old adage about &#039;biting the hand that feeds you,&#039; and a certain flavor of hypocrisy still taints that memory.

Later, Dr. Perle would coauthor a paper (see http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1185558) stating: &quot;vitalism  [...] although there is a long historical legacy of vitalism, and although it continues to be a feature within many contemporary belief systems, there really can be no compromise on its inclusion as a defining principle of chiropractic. It was precisely the rejection of vitalism in the 18th Century and the emerging understanding [...] of biological mechanisms that marks one of the watershed moments in the evolution of science. Chiropractic can choose to retain its vitalistic component only if it chooses to operate completely outside the scientific healthcare community. Vitalism does not require any further or more extensive analysis before rejecting it. To reject vitalism is to simply to announce that one accepts the conventional view of biology similar to the way one accepts the convention view of cosmology by rejecting a geocentric universe.&quot;

Yet, presently, UBCNM  calls their naturopathy scientific (see http://www.bridgeport.edu/ub/nm/Today&#039;s_Nat.htm) while requiring vitalism (see http://www.bridgeport.edu/ub/nm/Six_Prithree.htm) while vitalism is profoundly scientifically ejected.

So I left UBCNM realizing that naturopathy is an &#039;unethical sectarian pseudoscience.&#039;  

-r.c.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, I believe that commenter smperle is a former professor of mine from the University of Bridgeport College of Naturopathic Medicine [UBCNM]:  &#8220;Stephen M. Perle&#8221;  (<a href="http://www1bpt.bridgeport.edu/~perle/" rel="nofollow">http://www1bpt.bridgeport.edu/~perle/</a> ).</p>
<p>A fond memory: I remember Dr. Perle handing me Hyman&#8217;s [?] criticism of AK (similar to <a href="http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/ideomotor.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/ideomotor.html</a>) in fall 2000.</p>
<p>The funny thing is that here Perle is offering a critical view of AK&#8230;</p>
<p>while we were passing his office to pick up Goodheart&#8217;s AK text that was required for a UBCNM &#8216;manipulation&#8217; course taught by Dr. Ferraro, who had the office next door!  </p>
<p>Reminds me of those two guys in the film Brazil fighting over that desk shared through a wall.  </p>
<p>I find Dr. Perle&#8217;s action there both bold and absurd: it didn&#8217;t begin my criticism of naturopathy&#8230;but it was important. It was bold because here is someone inside the College of Naturopathic Medicine [then] as an instructor criticizing the very pseudoscience crappola naturopathy finds no problem calling &#8220;scientific medicine&#8221; and &#8216;able to survive scientific scrutiny.&#8217; It was absurd because there&#8217;s that old adage about &#8216;biting the hand that feeds you,&#8217; and a certain flavor of hypocrisy still taints that memory.</p>
<p>Later, Dr. Perle would coauthor a paper (see <a href="http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1185558" rel="nofollow">http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1185558</a>) stating: &#8220;vitalism  [...] although there is a long historical legacy of vitalism, and although it continues to be a feature within many contemporary belief systems, there really can be no compromise on its inclusion as a defining principle of chiropractic. It was precisely the rejection of vitalism in the 18th Century and the emerging understanding [...] of biological mechanisms that marks one of the watershed moments in the evolution of science. Chiropractic can choose to retain its vitalistic component only if it chooses to operate completely outside the scientific healthcare community. Vitalism does not require any further or more extensive analysis before rejecting it. To reject vitalism is to simply to announce that one accepts the conventional view of biology similar to the way one accepts the convention view of cosmology by rejecting a geocentric universe.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yet, presently, UBCNM  calls their naturopathy scientific (see <a href="http://www.bridgeport.edu/ub/nm/Today&#039;s_Nat.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.bridgeport.edu/ub/nm/Today&#039;s_Nat.htm</a>) while requiring vitalism (see <a href="http://www.bridgeport.edu/ub/nm/Six_Prithree.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.bridgeport.edu/ub/nm/Six_Prithree.htm</a>) while vitalism is profoundly scientifically ejected.</p>
<p>So I left UBCNM realizing that naturopathy is an &#8216;unethical sectarian pseudoscience.&#8217;  </p>
<p>-r.c.</p>
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		<title>By: daijiyobu</title>
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		<dc:creator>daijiyobu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 22:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an AK practitioner example: Fairfield, Connecticut chiropractor Dr. C. DeMarco

-- [DC UBCNM; {&quot;a member of the adjunct faculty, clinical sciences at the University of Bridgeport College of Naturopathic Medicine&quot; and of the &quot;University of Bridgeport, Alumni Board of Directors&quot;}(from her bio. at http://www.demarcochiropractic.com/about_us.htm)] --

of Black Rock Holistic Health Center who states about AK [at http://www.demarcochiropractic.com/kinesiology.htm]: 

&quot;[AK] draws on the principles of traditional Chinese medicine and can evaluate body function through the muscle-meridian relationship. It can also establish connections between imbalances, put them in order of priority and determine the most effective treatment [...] it can, for example: increase energy and vitality, prevent illness, improve posture, relieve physical pain and tension, defuse stress and the causes of stress, heal traumas, enhance brain function and co-ordination, discover individual nutritional needs, identify food and environmental sensitivities, find and clear underlying causes of energy blocks/imbalances/diseases [...] as the owner and founder of the my goal and mission is to integrate the treatment of chiropractic, acupuncture, nutrition, physical therapy, and homeopathy in order to provide the patient with the highest degree of success in treating their acute and chronic pain [she also is an Upledger craniosacral therapist].&quot; 
 
Quite a DIAGNOSTIC and therapeutic arsenal: but, since the meridians are myths, and the vitalistic / animatistic / animistic energy she speaks of (chi or qi) is a myth, and homeopathy and craniosacral therapy are farcical delusions...YOU judge how sound this arsenal is.  I&#039;m not going to mention the chiropractic, since I live a minute from the UB campus, and those guys go ape over criticism...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an AK practitioner example: Fairfield, Connecticut chiropractor Dr. C. DeMarco</p>
<p>&#8211; [DC UBCNM; {"a member of the adjunct faculty, clinical sciences at the University of Bridgeport College of Naturopathic Medicine" and of the "University of Bridgeport, Alumni Board of Directors"}(from her bio. at <a href="http://www.demarcochiropractic.com/about_us.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.demarcochiropractic.com/about_us.htm</a>)] &#8211;</p>
<p>of Black Rock Holistic Health Center who states about AK [at <a href="http://www.demarcochiropractic.com/kinesiology.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.demarcochiropractic.com/kinesiology.htm</a>: </p>
<p>"[AK] draws on the principles of traditional Chinese medicine and can evaluate body function through the muscle-meridian relationship. It can also establish connections between imbalances, put them in order of priority and determine the most effective treatment [...] it can, for example: increase energy and vitality, prevent illness, improve posture, relieve physical pain and tension, defuse stress and the causes of stress, heal traumas, enhance brain function and co-ordination, discover individual nutritional needs, identify food and environmental sensitivities, find and clear underlying causes of energy blocks/imbalances/diseases [...] as the owner and founder of the my goal and mission is to integrate the treatment of chiropractic, acupuncture, nutrition, physical therapy, and homeopathy in order to provide the patient with the highest degree of success in treating their acute and chronic pain [she also is an Upledger craniosacral therapist].&#8221; </p>
<p>Quite a DIAGNOSTIC and therapeutic arsenal: but, since the meridians are myths, and the vitalistic / animatistic / animistic energy she speaks of (chi or qi) is a myth, and homeopathy and craniosacral therapy are farcical delusions&#8230;YOU judge how sound this arsenal is.  I&#8217;m not going to mention the chiropractic, since I live a minute from the UB campus, and those guys go ape over criticism&#8230;</p>
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