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		<title>By: Zhankfor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zhankfor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 17:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>azmz, true, and good point; maybe I should have said that debitage in those numbers and in that concentration don&#039;t occur without human intent. There&#039;s still an assumption implicit in that statement, but I&#039;d call it a safe one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>azmz, true, and good point; maybe I should have said that debitage in those numbers and in that concentration don&#8217;t occur without human intent. There&#8217;s still an assumption implicit in that statement, but I&#8217;d call it a safe one.</p>
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		<title>By: azmz</title>
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		<dc:creator>azmz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m surprised that Waters, in the BBC article, is arguing as if there was still major opposition to pre-Clovis occupations. There have been known credible pre-Clovis occupations (or sites) since the late 1970s with acceptance growing since the mid-1980s.

The question for archaeologists was whether these occupations before Clovis had a population large enough to sustain itself. Granted my training is somewhat dated, but I was taught a population needed roughly 500 individuals to be self-sustaining. Below that threshold a population would eventually be extinguished.

From the archaeological record, we can assume that the Clovis culture had the minimum threshold whatever it is. The pre-Clovis occupations that have been accepted as credible do not appear to have attained that minimum, so the culture or cultures died out.

Zhanfor, concerning debitage you stated, &quot;[T]hat sort of stone chip doesn’t occur without intent.&quot; There is a category known as geofacts as opposed to artifacts. Geofacts are items that can be produced through natural processes without human intervention. For instance, the force of flooding waters can be enough to smash together rocks of the right type at the right angle to produce stone flakes that are indistinguishable in their physical properties from debitage.

The possibility of geofacts is one reason why one pre-Clovis site, the Calico Site, has not been accepted by consensus among archaeologists. Pre-Clovis occupations at the site are dated roughly 18,000 years ago and somewhere between 100,000 and 200,000 years ago. Wikipedia has a summary of the site and discusses geofacts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calico_Early_Man_Site</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised that Waters, in the BBC article, is arguing as if there was still major opposition to pre-Clovis occupations. There have been known credible pre-Clovis occupations (or sites) since the late 1970s with acceptance growing since the mid-1980s.</p>
<p>The question for archaeologists was whether these occupations before Clovis had a population large enough to sustain itself. Granted my training is somewhat dated, but I was taught a population needed roughly 500 individuals to be self-sustaining. Below that threshold a population would eventually be extinguished.</p>
<p>From the archaeological record, we can assume that the Clovis culture had the minimum threshold whatever it is. The pre-Clovis occupations that have been accepted as credible do not appear to have attained that minimum, so the culture or cultures died out.</p>
<p>Zhanfor, concerning debitage you stated, &#8220;[T]hat sort of stone chip doesn’t occur without intent.&#8221; There is a category known as geofacts as opposed to artifacts. Geofacts are items that can be produced through natural processes without human intervention. For instance, the force of flooding waters can be enough to smash together rocks of the right type at the right angle to produce stone flakes that are indistinguishable in their physical properties from debitage.</p>
<p>The possibility of geofacts is one reason why one pre-Clovis site, the Calico Site, has not been accepted by consensus among archaeologists. Pre-Clovis occupations at the site are dated roughly 18,000 years ago and somewhere between 100,000 and 200,000 years ago. Wikipedia has a summary of the site and discusses geofacts: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calico_Early_Man_Site" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calico_Early_Man_Site</a></p>
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		<title>By: Zhankfor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zhankfor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@BillyJoe7

Not necessarily a huge ratio of debitage per tool, but keep in mind that more tools may have been produced at the site then were deposited and recovered. The jigsaw puzzle analogy is good way to think about it, though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@BillyJoe7</p>
<p>Not necessarily a huge ratio of debitage per tool, but keep in mind that more tools may have been produced at the site then were deposited and recovered. The jigsaw puzzle analogy is good way to think about it, though!</p>
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		<title>By: bachfiend</title>
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		<dc:creator>bachfiend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zhankfor,

A homeopathic trace of water perhaps?

In which case, according to homeopaths, Atlantis would more exist than if we found it well preserved sitting on an island somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zhankfor,</p>
<p>A homeopathic trace of water perhaps?</p>
<p>In which case, according to homeopaths, Atlantis would more exist than if we found it well preserved sitting on an island somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: BillyJoe7</title>
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		<dc:creator>BillyJoe7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 09:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think it’s important to point out that the vast majority of the 15 000 artifacts found at the site are not in fact tools, but are known as “debitage”, the tiny little flakes of flint that are the result of the sorts of advanced flintknapping processes that modern homo sapiens have been using for a few tens of thousands of year...56 of the artifacts are in fact what are generally classified as “tools.”&quot;

250 flakes per tool!
...anyone find 3D jigsaw puzzles interesting might like to try their hand :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think it’s important to point out that the vast majority of the 15 000 artifacts found at the site are not in fact tools, but are known as “debitage”, the tiny little flakes of flint that are the result of the sorts of advanced flintknapping processes that modern homo sapiens have been using for a few tens of thousands of year&#8230;56 of the artifacts are in fact what are generally classified as “tools.”&#8221;</p>
<p>250 flakes per tool!<br />
&#8230;anyone find 3D jigsaw puzzles interesting might like to try their hand <img src='http://theness.com/neurologicablog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Michael Meadon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Meadon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Steve - awesome. Looking forward to the interview. My take is in all likelihood unreliable and too rosy... :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Steve &#8211; awesome. Looking forward to the interview. My take is in all likelihood unreliable and too rosy&#8230; <img src='http://theness.com/neurologicablog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: SARA</title>
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		<dc:creator>SARA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Davdoodles
I don&#039;t think we need any actual information.  The &#039;divining&#039; process allows us to make it up as we go along.  So whatever readily available cheap product we can make and then sell as Pre-Clovis ancient wisdom will work.  
Documentation can be manufactured as needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Davdoodles<br />
I don&#8217;t think we need any actual information.  The &#8216;divining&#8217; process allows us to make it up as we go along.  So whatever readily available cheap product we can make and then sell as Pre-Clovis ancient wisdom will work.<br />
Documentation can be manufactured as needed.</p>
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		<title>By: Davdoodles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davdoodles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 01:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need to concentrate on divining what pre-scientific medical behaviors they engaged in, so we can make money  peddling Clovis and pre-Clovis folks&#039; &quot;ancient wisdom&quot; on late night TeeVee... ;)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need to concentrate on divining what pre-scientific medical behaviors they engaged in, so we can make money  peddling Clovis and pre-Clovis folks&#8217; &#8220;ancient wisdom&#8221; on late night TeeVee&#8230; <img src='http://theness.com/neurologicablog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
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		<title>By: Zhankfor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zhankfor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a good point, but I&#039;d still call it a trace amount of water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a good point, but I&#8217;d still call it a trace amount of water.</p>
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		<title>By: bachfiend</title>
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		<dc:creator>bachfiend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now I&#039;ve got yet another reason to be looking forward to next week&#039;s SGU, and it&#039;s only Tuesday morning.

Atlantis could hold a little water if it&#039;s a vague allusion to an unknown civilization destroyed by the eruption of the Santorini volcano.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I&#8217;ve got yet another reason to be looking forward to next week&#8217;s SGU, and it&#8217;s only Tuesday morning.</p>
<p>Atlantis could hold a little water if it&#8217;s a vague allusion to an unknown civilization destroyed by the eruption of the Santorini volcano.</p>
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